Author Topic: White left  (Read 628 times)

Online Shiranu

Re: White left
« Reply #90 on: January 03, 2018, 05:38:15 PM »
Well, no, I did none of those things.

I'm not going to change my correct position to a wrong one on the basis of "it's good to compromise. That is a stupid thing to say. You're stupid.

Except you have done that thread after thread, but fine, we will stick only to this thread and say you didn't. And again, it's not a "wrong" one; it's your language (Australian) is different from mine (American). Neither is "right" or "wrong", any more than Castilian is more right than Latin American Spanish.

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If I really did just pretend that everytime you said socialism that you meant a capitalist state with social safety nets, then yeah - I agree, man; those are generally the best systems.

Except that's not what I am talking about.

I am talking about where a service industry is completely socialized by the state (for example, the "production" of health care to it's citizens being completely in the hands of the state, or the construction and maintenance of infrastructure being entirely state mandated, constructed and maintained), but the smaller parts of making that happen are done through capitalist means (for example, the production of the medicines the socialized doctors will prescribe, or the workers who build the roads, bridges, etc. being private employees).

It's a system that is using both socialist and capitalist principles to operate; hence the reason I am saying "socialist leaning"... it is capitalism that is leaning towards socialism since the final product's distribution and maintenance is socialized, but the initial construction is done through capitalistic means.


To call that "just" capitalism is blatantly wrong. And to say that the two cant work together is also blatantly wrong, since that is what not just all Western economies are based on but even most Eastern economies as well; it's not either/or, it's both working together.


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Re: White left
« Reply #91 on: January 03, 2018, 05:40:08 PM »
See ... ad hominem meets hate speech ;-(

Guys, just talk particular policies, maybe in different strings, without the jargon/labeling.


That's the things. Most arguments get hung up on semantics. If you think about it, as long as you know what they really mean - what they're really for - then you can get by without getting caught up in the semantics. 'Ol Shiranu likes capitalism with some good socialist policies. You know, maybe some government intervention in labour to make sure workers are getting their due and aren't exposed to harm. Perhaps socialised medicine and welfare for the disabled. All good stuff, I say. Thumbs up, Shiranu.

Also, I'm Canadian, Shiranu. Nice to meet ya'.
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Online Shiranu

Re: White left
« Reply #92 on: January 03, 2018, 05:43:21 PM »
That's the things. Most arguments get hung up on semantics. If you think about it, as long as you know what they really mean - what they're really for - then you can get by without getting caught up in the semantics. 'Ol Shiranu likes capitalism with some good socialist policies. You know, maybe some government intervention in labour to make sure workers are getting their due and aren't exposed to harm - stuff like socialised medicine, welfare for the disabled. All good stuff, I say. Thumbs up, Shiranu.

Also, I'm Canadian, Shiranu. Nice to meet ya'.

Alright, that makes sense too. I guess I should say a more "European" definition of socialism... but maybe just a more "English". I don't know enough Spanish, German, etc. to know how the definition varies between the other languages.


I have no idea where I got Australian though... must have been some other G-name that was... *shrugs*
"When glass breaks it is possible to put the pieces back together, but a heart once broken cannot be pieced together again. The suffering of man is immense, and only in love can relief be found from that suffering."  -
Allahi Allah, traditional Pakistani folk song