Author Topic: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...  (Read 2781 times)

Offline Baruch

Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« on: December 26, 2017, 04:21:33 PM »
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Just facts ... not politics.  Basically, force the middle class into the lower class, then kill all the poor people ... next.
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Offline Sal1981

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2017, 05:44:48 PM »
Pretty good re-cap of the last 30 (& more) financial years, and I agree on him on populism and how, essentially, a populist was elected in the U.S.

So far, even though they gained quite a foot-hold, populist in Europe have not won the elections - the case for immigration is that they'll fill the widening gap in the work-force that is yet to come.

Also, in the comment section, I agree with on poster that he is wrong on the job creation part in the future, A.I. will and already has moved the workforce from simple jobs to machines. I don't know who said it before, but I really think that strong A.I. or A.G.I. will be humanities last invention, because they'll be doing the thinking for us once we have perfected the algorithms for A.I.

Instead of welfare state(s), have a basic universal income with no strings attached.



EDIT: a good TED interview with an A.I. expert about the issue:
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Offline Baruch

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2017, 08:35:15 PM »
i don't object to taking care of people, I object to taking care of corporations and plutocrats.  But I am not liberal in that.  I simply don't trust any form of collectivism.

Populism gained in France and Netherlands and Spain this year, but not a knock out blow.  But Poland is clearly populist (at least anti Berlin) and Austria is moving in the same pro-Catholic direction.  If the globalists weren't such monsters, they might attract more bees, with honey, not vinegar.
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Online Cavebear

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 08:57:44 AM »
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i don't object to taking care of people, I object to taking care of corporations and plutocrats. 

You ARE slowly coming around to the progressive view.  Please keep up the good transition.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2018, 09:29:20 AM »
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You ARE slowly coming around to the progressive view.  Please keep up the good transition.

I was progressive in 1974.  I can only move down, having been on the peak of the mountain.  Humanity has proven predictably disappointing.
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Online Cavebear

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2018, 09:44:05 AM »
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I was progressive in 1974.  I can only move down, having been on the peak of the mountain.  Humanity has proven predictably disappointing.

I slightly agree with you about that.  But even at 67, I still have hopes for humanity.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2018, 09:48:29 AM »
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I slightly agree with you about that.  But even at 67, I still have hopes for humanity.

Good for you.  Maximal cynicism is a downer, but the only way is up!
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Online Cavebear

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2018, 09:51:50 AM »
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Good for you.  Maximal cynicism is a downer, but the only way is up!

I don't like individual people a while lot, but I sure like humanity collectively.  In US I Trust!

Ans I don't mean that that is easy.  But it beats giving up, nes ce pas?

If we give up on ourselves, we're done.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2018, 09:53:59 AM »
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I don't like individual people a while lot, but I sure like humanity collectively.  In US I Trust!

Ans I don't mean that that is easy.  But it beats giving up, nes ce pas?

If we give up on ourselves, we're done.

I am anti-bear.  I like people individually, but hate them collectively (same reason I hate G-d).  And yes, soon enough, we are both done.  I hope that the effort was worthwhile, even if it isn't lasting.
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Online Cavebear

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2018, 09:58:35 AM »
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I am anti-bear.  I like people individually, but hate them collectively (same reason I hate G-d).  And yes, soon enough, we are both done.  I hope that the effort was worthwhile, even if it isn't lasting.

You know. I'm ONLY 67.  I'm not dead yet.  I'm going to fight to make things better until my last breath.  Sure, my typing WON'T get better, and my mind may slow down come 20 years from now, but I live to see a better world if I can do anything about it!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2018, 10:08:16 AM »
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You know. I'm ONLY 67.  I'm not dead yet.  I'm going to fight to make things better until my last breath.  Sure, my typing WON'T get better, and my mind may slow down come 20 years from now, but I live to see a better world if I can do anything about it!

Star Wars Emperor ... "yes, feel the hopium ..."
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Online Cavebear

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2018, 10:12:08 AM »
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Star Wars Emperor ... "yes, feel the hopium ..."

Well Hopium and Thoughtium probably ARE the opposite of Unobtanium and Godium...
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Offline Jason Harvestdancer

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2018, 12:15:21 PM »
Baruch, you post many topics that look interesting, but start with just a video.  Not even a summary of the video, just a video.

Why should I spend my time watching that video?  Who is that person?  What are his credentials?  What is the point he is making?  One paragraph ought to suffice.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2018, 03:51:13 PM »
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Baruch, you post many topics that look interesting, but start with just a video.  Not even a summary of the video, just a video.

Why should I spend my time watching that video?  Who is that person?  What are his credentials?  What is the point he is making?  One paragraph ought to suffice.

I am trying to control that ... but in multi-game speed chess, I have to type fast!  Make a specific question on a specific video that is interesting, and I will respond.  You are welcome.
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Online Cavebear

Re: Macro-economic picture for the last 30 years ...
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2018, 03:54:41 PM »
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I am trying to control that ... but in multi-game speed chess, I have to type fast!  Make a specific question on a specific video that is interesting, and I will respond.  You are welcome.

Do you ever play the English Opening.  I like that one for the transpositional possibilities.
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