Author Topic: Memri video on Islam  (Read 155 times)

Offline pr126 (OP)

Memri video on Islam
« on: December 22, 2017, 10:08:07 AM »
Video in Arabic (Egyptian) with English subtitles, telling about Islam's past and present.


#NOTALLMUSLIMS

« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 10:23:36 AM by pr126 »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2017, 01:31:16 PM »
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Online Cavebear

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2017, 05:57:34 AM »
Video in Arabic (Egyptian) with English subtitles, telling about Islam's past and present.


#NOTALLMUSLIMS



You're a Moslem, PR, aren't you?
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2017, 06:09:18 AM »
Absolutely not. I feel insulted by suggesting it.
Unless you are joking.
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Online Cavebear

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2017, 06:29:40 AM »
Absolutely not. I feel insulted by suggesting it.
Unless you are joking.

Its not a joke.  You keep agreeing with the Quran! 
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2017, 06:55:57 AM »
How so? Please explain.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2017, 07:00:52 AM by pr126 »
“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper

“It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled”  - Mark Twain

Online Cavebear

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2017, 11:57:13 AM »
How so? Please explain.

I'm not going to go searching through the threads.  I don't do that.

Call it a "learned impression" about you.
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2017, 12:47:52 PM »
I think that if I was a Muslim or an Islamophile, then Shiranu would never call me a bigot.

However, I believe that you are referring to this post:

There are no contradictions in the Quran. No Muslim will agree that there are contradictions or mistakes in the Quran. It is the word of Allah verbatim and Allah does not make mistakes.

Abrogation (Quran 2:106) means that if there are contradictions, they both are true, but the later revelations take precedence over the (chronologically) older ones.

There are really 2 books in the Quran, the older Mekkan and the later warring Medinan verses, which supersede (abrogate) the more conciliatory Mekkan verses where Muhammad was still recruiting his army.

Muslims are quoting the abrogated verses to the kuffar to fool them into believing that Islam is peace.

Favorites are Quran 2:256 (there is no compulsion in religion), Quran 5:32 (always quoted incompletely to omit important context), and not quoting the following important verse (Quran 5:33).    See here

Here I am not actually agreeing with the Quran, but mirroring the Muslim belief that the Quran is infallible.
According to Muslims it is the word of Allah verbatim and implying that it has mistakes is apostasy.

But thank you for your concern.


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Offline Baruch

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2017, 01:14:03 PM »
I think that if I was a Muslim or an Islamophile, then Shiranu would never call me a bigot.

However, I believe that you are referring to this post:

Here I am not actually agreeing with the Quran, but mirroring the Muslim belief that the Quran is infallible.
According to Muslims it is the word of Allah verbatim and implying that it has mistakes is apostasy.

But thank you for your concern.

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Online Shiranu

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2017, 01:20:36 PM »
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I think that if I was a Muslim or an Islamophile, then Shiranu would never call me a bigot.

Actually, I have said it for awhile now; I think you and the fundamentalist Iman agree on far more than you disagree on. I don't think that makes you a Muslim, but you do seem to heavily agree with the worst of them. At times, it's hard to tell you apart from a radical Islamist in terms of how hardline view you take on Islam.
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Online Cavebear

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2017, 01:59:57 PM »
Actually, I have said it for awhile now; I think you and the fundamentalist Iman agree on far more than you disagree on. I don't think that makes you a Muslim, but you do seem to heavily agree with the worst of them. At times, it's hard to tell you apart from a radical Islamist in terms of how hardline view you take on Islam.

Baruch is a basic authoritarian.  He splits between Nazism and Extreme Libertarianism as in Ayn Rand, I think. 

When he has an honest night, he's more Nazi.  But getting the truth of what he thinks is sometimes like trying to get an egg from a rooster.  He writes like a moebius strip.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2017, 02:29:52 PM »
Baruch is a basic authoritarian.  He splits between Nazism and Extreme Libertarianism as in Ayn Rand, I think. 

When he has an honest night, he's more Nazi.  But getting the truth of what he thinks is sometimes like trying to get an egg from a rooster.  He writes like a moebius strip.

A Moebius strip?  I have more than even two sides.  Ideologues are one-sided, then can't even seem past the false dichotomy of the two-party joke.

Authoritarian ... sometimes.  And I am familiar with Ayn Rand in my youth.  But she was mostly wrong, and not a very good writer either.  What I sense she and I share, is that Romantic view of life, with heroes and such, not Marxist lumpen-proletariat, which I think you and Shiranu sense.  In short, Greek drama, and Nietzsche (however mad he was).
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Online Cavebear

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2017, 02:40:25 PM »
A Moebius strip?  I have more than even two sides.  Ideologues are one-sided, then can't even seem past the false dichotomy of the two-party joke.

Authoritarian ... sometimes.  And I am familiar with Ayn Rand in my youth.  But she was mostly wrong, and not a very good writer either.  What I sense she and I share, is that Romantic view of life, with heroes and such, not Marxist lumpen-proletariat, which I think you and Shiranu sense.  In short, Greek drama, and Nietzsche (however mad he was).

A Romantic view of life?  I doubt either of you do.  Unless you specifically mean "Roman" which I think would suit you well.  Dictat, etc.

I bet Ayn didn't go quite far enough...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2017, 02:51:08 PM »
A Romantic view of life?  I doubt either of you do.  Unless you specifically mean "Roman" which I think would suit you well.  Dictat, etc.

I bet Ayn didn't go quite far enough...

It isn't about getting hot dates ... and Shiranu is passion itself, tres Francaise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism
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Online Cavebear

Re: Memri video on Islam
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2017, 02:52:21 PM »
It isn't about getting hot dates ... and Shiranu is passion itself, tres Francaise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism

More tired sexism...
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