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Started by SGOS, December 19, 2017, 10:37:04 AM

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Hydra009

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 20, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
Not a 'theory', but an hypothesis--sorry, couldn't resist.
Fan theory.  Theory in the colloquial sense!

Hydra009

#46
Quote from: SGOS on April 20, 2020, 01:20:45 PMFrom my experience with the first two seasons, it took most of my mental abilities to just to take a stab at keeping up.  I think the premise of the series is wonderful, but it's easy to feel lost half the time.
That's intentional.  Imo, season 1 did a beautiful job of foreshadowing major reveals.  A keen-eyed watcher might be able to guess some stuff.

In fact, fans did such a good job guessing for season 1 that the show creators felt the need to up their game and make season 2 impossible to crack.  And they succeed a little too well.  Season 2 was so inaccessible and complicated that it was nearly impossible to predict.  Fans were basically just stabbing in the dark.

Now, with season 3 the creators are going a little easier on us with a much more straightforward narrative.  Not to toot my own horn, but I guessed two out of three major reveals correctly.  The third is still ongoing, so we might not find that out until the season wraps up.

[spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDaHQDD1ghY

LOL.[/spoiler]

Sal1981

Season 3: Crisis Theory (final episode of the season)

[spoiler]There might be a 4th season, since in the post-credits scenes end on a cliffhanger, where William is killed by a host copy of himself. Not to mention that since Rehoboam is deleted rendering mankind free, sortof.

I reckon in the 4th season, it will be in a post-apocalyptic world, of sorts, or, have you, a wild west. *snort*[/spoiler]

Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 04, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
Season 3: Crisis Theory (final episode of the season)

[spoiler]There might be a 4th season, since in the post-credits scenes end on a cliffhanger, where William is killed by a host copy of himself. Not to mention that since Rehoboam is deleted rendering mankind free, sortof.

I reckon in the 4th season, it will be in a post-apocalyptic world, of sorts, or, have you, a wild west. *snort*[/spoiler]

I liked the joke, and I like your Feynman quote.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Hydra009

#49
[spoiler]And I was right on all three accounts.  A lot of people thought that Serac wasn't a real person (due to seeing him as a hologram once, kinda flawed reasoning imo).  It's true that he was a puppet, though it wasn't true that he didn't exist.

And speaking of predictions, my initial impression of Maeve:  "Now that she's done looking after her daughter, she'll actually have a decent arc this time around as an agent of freedom.  And she's well positioned to mediate some sort of truce between the hosts and the humans."  A bit on the nose, don't you think?

This season ended about where I thought it would, though I'm not sure if I even like this ending.  What is the point of it?  Some gunplay, some swordfights, a couple explosions along the predictable revolution narrative?  Get a couple cheap thrills, some surprises - that's not enough.

This season seemed to lack any significance - since we already know that humanity is long gone in the far future, it's easy to surmise that the robot uprising does not end well for humanity.  The series even pulled its punches and just delayed this bloodbath by having Dolores prime merely take down the system while leaving humans to fend for themselves in a state of total anarchy (very merciful) while Halores builds an army and prepares for war.  So really, this revolution is just a drawn-out bloodbath.

And while I'm grateful that Dolores and Maeve had decent arcs, Serac/Rehoboam was such a disappointing villain duo, the Man In Black had fuck all of an arc (betrayer, betrayed, vengeful, decayed), and Bernard/Stubbs were mere passengers, a day late and dollar short.  Stubbs in particular had a rather perplexing moment where he's bleeding to death in a car while Bernard reminisces with an old friend and then later leaves him to rot in a bathtub for god knows how long.  Such a great friend.

Dolores has swung wildly between blackest villainy and semi-heroic self-sacrifice, so I dunno what to make about her.  I certainly can't say that I like her or her methods.  #teamMaeve

And Serac will ultimately be proven right - without some sort of guiding system to establish law and order, humanity will kill itself.  Because they can't change, or cannot change - because they're only human after all.  More's the pity.

Dangling plot threads:  outliers in stasis, Solomon, Stubbs, Clementine, Hanaryo, Lawrence, sim-Sizemore, etc.  I'm sure I'll recall more in time.  I look forward to a scathing critique from Preston Jacobs.[/spoiler]

Hydra009

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 04, 2020, 09:36:38 AM[spoiler]I reckon in the 4th season, it will be in a post-apocalyptic world, of sorts, or, have you, a wild west. *snort*[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I predict a machine haven in the American West modeled after Westworld, albeit with much less violent delights.[/spoiler]

Hydra009

#51
Watching Westworld videos and the reviews fairly often get basic facts wrong and therefore misinterpret scenes.  *Ford chuckles to himself*

[spoiler]One guy even said that humans can't be copied over to robot bodies with any stability because human minds are too complex.  UGGH![/spoiler]

Sal1981

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 04, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
Watching Westworld videos and the reviews fairly often get basic facts wrong and therefore misinterpret scenes.  *Ford chuckles to himself*

[spoiler]One guy even said that humans can't be copied over to robot bodies with any stability because human minds are too complex.  UGGH![/spoiler]
[spoiler]They probably got that notion from James Delos' imprisonment in season 2, where he repeatedly "breaks down", except it was explained he broke down because he was incompatible with the old code.[/spoiler]

Hydra009

[spoiler]Maybe.  And that could be forgiven if he had just watched season 2 and missed that big reveal in the season 2 finale.  But this was in a season 3 finale review.  Human memory is quite fallible, it seems.  Little details keep getting lost.

Come to think of it, Westworld only has two hard-and-fast rules:
1) Human minds are unstable in machine bodies
2) Human death is permanent[/spoiler]

Hydra009

[spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP54TU7c3jA

Well, that aged like milk.  Would have been nice to see.  Unfortunate that there wasn't more of a payoff with this character's arc.[/spoiler]

Hydra009

#55
A peak at the writers' room:

[spoiler]Major character arcs throughout the series:

Dolores
1) I want to be free
2) I want to kill 'em all, no wait...
3) I want to lead a revolution to kill 'em all, no wait...

Bernard
1) I want to understand
2) I don't understand
3) I don't get it

William
1) I want the hosts to be free so they can fight back
2) I want to destroy the guest data because my Myersâ€"Briggs sucks
3) I want to save the world by ranting like a crazy person to passerby and waving my gun around oops I'm dead

Maeve
1) I want to escape no wait...I want to go get my daughter
2) I want to protect my daughter by leading her to safety
3) I want to protect my daughter by killing Dolores

Akecheta
1) There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke
2) There must be some kind of way outta here, the hour's getting late
3) *epic guitar riffs* [/spoiler]

SGOS

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 07, 2020, 01:51:11 PM
A peak at the writers' room:

[spoiler]Major character arcs throughout the series:

Dolores
1) I want to be free
2) I want to kill 'em all, no wait...
3) I want to lead a revolution to kill 'em all, no wait...

Bernard
1) I want to understand
2) I don't understand
3) I don't get it

William
1) I want the hosts to be free so they can fight back
2) I want to destroy the guest data because my Myersâ€"Briggs sucks
3) I want to save the world by ranting like a crazy person to passerby and waving my gun around oops I'm dead

Maeve
1) I want to escape no wait...I want to go get my daughter
2) I want to protect my daughter by leading her to safety
3) I want to protect my daughter by killing Dolores

Akecheta
1) There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke
2) There must be some kind of way outta here, the hour's getting late
3) *epic guitar riffs* [/spoiler]
Year 3 Episodes 1 to 3
I know that Delores wants to take over the real world, or have her revenge on it, or something like that, but that was kind of established in the second year.  Beyond that, I'm watching images of people talking in conspiratorial tones about things I don't understand, and can't figure out the point of it all.  This was hard enough to follow in the second year but I'm running out of curiosity.  I loved the movie, dated as it now is, but that was a hell of a story.  This seems more like nonobjective performance art designed to appeal to a sense I must not have.  Most of the original cast has not shown up in the latest set of disks, at least not yet.  Did they run for cover to save their careers?  The character I identify with most is:

Bernard
1) I want to understand
2) I don't understand
3) I don't get it

Except that Bernard seems more concerned, although I wished the writers would have given him better things to do.  I think this will be the last season for me.  Although Delores looks mighty fine in a slinky cocktail dress.  Beyond that... I want to understand.  I don't understand, I don't get it.

Hydra009

Dolores's goals are hard to guess at because they always seem to be in flux.  In one scene, it's petty revenge and horrifically cruel at that (contradicting her merciful behavior).  In another, it's complete genocide.  In another, it's simple freedom.  I believe the writers did this obfuscation to deliberately try to keep her mysterious, but it really just makes her seem erratic and serves to take away from her character.  If the audience doesn't know who she is and what she wants, they can't sympathize with her.

Quote from: SGOS on September 09, 2020, 01:31:48 PMI want to understand.  I don't understand, I don't get it.
*dons Ford's black hat*  Hardly your fault.

SGOS

Episode 5 (I think) of year 3 was entertaining for sure, not that I got any real clarity from it.  OK, there's clarity but only in minor details, but with little direction toward a plot.  From the old West of Delos to upscale society on the order of James Bond casinos is an interesting contrast, and I enjoyed the elegant flesh market that Delores and Jesse Pinkman crashed. I got several unexpected laughs out of that.  The real world is every bit the fantasy of the theme park.  It's watchable if not understandable.  In season 2, I decided to just watch it without understanding, and I can do that again, but like I said, I'm running out of curiosity, although I think the settings, and acting will hold my interest a while longer.  It reminds me of a David Lynch production, although less corny.

SGOS

I'm not sure they are in the real world yet.  Maybe it's just a bigger theme park.