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Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2017, 05:15:41 PM »
Arcs are multi-episode plots.  Babylon 5 was noted for that.  As opposed to some shows where the characters basically started from scratch each time, like Star Trek or any sitcom.
Westworld is defintely a serial tv show.  Every episode flows from the previous episode.  You can't miss an episode and still understand what's going on.  Hell, you have to rewatch episodes to fully understand what's going on.

Offline Cavebear

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2017, 06:13:39 AM »
Depends on what you mean.  But 4 characters go through major character arcs in the first season.  Not bad for 10 episodes.

Character arcs sound good but probably not quite the same as a I mean.  Arcs are more situations that develop over months at least, where hints of developments show slightly at first and them episodes later you realize that THAT'S why he did that (or some such thing).

I suppose that is cheaply common in soap operas, but not often seen in sci-fi.  Dr Who does that sometimes.  ST:TNG did it badly with Wessley and better with Data.

But in Babylon 5, it wasn't character arcs but universe arcs.  I read something by one of the writers saying that they had planned out a whole ending before the wrote the begginning, and everything led to the end in slow arcs skipping entire episodes sometimes to get to one point months in the future.

Naturally, it isn't in repeats...  Too complicated.
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Offline SGOS (OP)

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2017, 08:22:06 AM »
Character arcs.  Foreshadows and twists?  There are two so far after 7 episodes.  One I anticipated just a few minutes before the revelation.  Others seem to be under development as I'm not so sure about Character X or Y as I was at the beginning.  I'm experiencing a bit of what I used to in time travel stories, potential problems that arise in artificial intelligent beings as happens when considering traveling in time.  The first three episodes were confusing.  I watched each one twice, trying to keep up.  By episode four, I'm starting to feel like I've found my bearings, partly because I've come to accept that a couple of the major plot lines cannot be understood at this point.  This is a very good series, on par with Dexter and Breaking Bad, where each episode does not resolve itself, but are part of the overall plot.  It lends itself to binge watching, where you don't have to wait weeks before the next episode.  But soon I'll be done with season 1 and I'll have to wait a whole year for the next binge, and that will drive me crazy.

Offline Cavebear

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2017, 10:41:20 AM »
Character arcs.  Foreshadows and twists?  There are two so far after 7 episodes.  One I anticipated just a few minutes before the revelation.  Others seem to be under development as I'm not so sure about Character X or Y as I was at the beginning.  I'm experiencing a bit of what I used to in time travel stories, potential problems that arise in artificial intelligent beings as happens when considering traveling in time.  The first three episodes were confusing.  I watched each one twice, trying to keep up.  By episode four, I'm starting to feel like I've found my bearings, partly because I've come to accept that a couple of the major plot lines cannot be understood at this point.  This is a very good series, on par with Dexter and Breaking Bad, where each episode does not resolve itself, but are part of the overall plot.  It lends itself to binge watching, where you don't have to wait weeks before the next episode.  But soon I'll be done with season 1 and I'll have to wait a whole year for the next binge, and that will drive me crazy.

Perhaps I've underestimated newer series...
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Offline SGOS (OP)

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2017, 02:55:48 PM »
Holy Smoke!  What a first season.  I just finished the final episode, and I'm trying to put my mind back together.  I've read two books by Michael Crichton, I think, and this doesn't seem like the same writer.  In the past, Crichton wrote in a  linier format.  Maybe this was too, but I'm not sure, and I'm not just talking about the obvious flashbacks.  Eventually, I didn't know if I was watching flashbacks or the present time.

There is a philosophical concept that time is not linier, but that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time.  I put no stock in that, but Westworld kind of captures the spirit of that particular brain fart.  Perhaps after a second watching, I'll sort through that and decide if this was linier or not.  Or maybe not.  Much as been resolved in the final episode, but I still have a ton of questions about what just happened.

Last year, I read some user reviews.  Maybe from Amazon.  I can't remember.  Many people bemoaned the egregious use of nudity.  For some, that's all they noticed.  Not even a comment about the plot, the twists, and the complexity.  Just comments along the lines of, "If bare breasts are all you want, you may find this series interesting."  Sheesh!  Talk about living in different worlds.

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2017, 09:39:36 PM »
Holy Smoke!  What a first season.  I just finished the final episode, and I'm trying to put my mind back together.
Yeah, that last 5 minutes or so was quite a doozy. 

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There is a philosophical concept that time is not linear, but that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time.
Block time - not so much that everything's happening at once, but that future has already happened in exactly the same sense that the past has already happened.  The big picture is that spacetime is an unchanging 4-dimensional block.  That picture doesn't gel with people's subjective experience, but very little of reality meets that standard.  If I held a boulder in my hands and told you that it's mostly empty space, you'd likely consider me mad.

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Many people bemoaned the egregious use of nudity.
Considering all the nasty stuff that goes down in Westworld, it's odd that nudity is a big complaint.  It's so strange that you can show violence galore without consequence but an f-bomb or bare breast sends the moral guardians into conniptions.

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Just comments along the lines of, "If bare breasts are all you want, you may find this series interesting."  Sheesh!  Talk about living in different worlds.
Softcore porn would be way more efficient for that.  Besides, the context of a lot of Westworld's nudity (body heaps with sad music playing) isn't exactly an enticing scenario.  At least, I'd hope not.

But yeah, Westworld has a lot more to offer than mere titillation (in fact, that's the show's metanarrative).  Imo, anyone who would sum it up as guns and tits isn't be smart enough to be hired as a security guard at the titular park.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2017, 09:51:27 PM »
Puritans ... sex bad, violence good.  That is what Salem was all about.  Americans are all from Salem.
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Offline SGOS (OP)

Re: Westworld TV Series
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2017, 06:37:05 AM »
Considering all the nasty stuff that goes down in Westworld, it's odd that nudity is a big complaint.  It's so strange that you can show violence galore without consequence but an f-bomb or bare breast sends the moral guardians into conniptions.
The nudity is more on the order of undressed store manikins.  When sex is about to take place, it's almost always clothed foreplay, and then the camera cuts away.