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Offline ƵenKlassen

Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« on: December 16, 2017, 03:38:04 AM »
Okay, so there is this religion called Creativity, which is a religion based around the white race...

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And this religion was founded by Ben Klassen in 1973.


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Anyways, what do you think about this religion?
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Offline Shiranu

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 03:41:23 AM »
I think it proves my suspicions right.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2017, 10:57:44 AM »
Not unlike Dar al-Islam originally.  All religions and cultural practices/artifacts are the result of human creativity.

But the notions of racism, are particularly ridiculous.  Even Islam ultimately got past "Arabs are the master race" more or less.  It became a universal religion, same as Buddhism and Christianity before it.  Hinduism is not universal, nor is Judaism  Though internally, this leads to arguments as to "who is Hindu" and "who is Jewish".  For some Hindus, Hare Krishna in the West, isn't real Hinduism.  Similarly, most Jews regard Jews For Jesus as not real Judaism.

Might as well convert to Realians in France, as the above quoted burlesque.

I went to a congregational Hannukah celebration last night, and ate latkes with apple sauce.  Traditional Ashkenazi ... and I piss on anyone who thinks I am not Jewish enough, particularly other Jews ;-)  I consider myself Kekistani ;-))

My question for this "White" religion is ... is it pagan, and is it Celtic or Germanic or some other hairy European cave-man cult?
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Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2017, 12:45:20 PM »
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Okay, so there is this religion called Creativity, which is a religion based around the white race...

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And this religion was founded by Ben Klassen in 1973.


Creativity Logo

Anyways, what do you think about this religion?
You link suggests it does not exist.  In any case, like all religions it is based upon fiction--so it sucks.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2017, 01:33:21 PM »
It is much easier to get away with an ancient popular fraud, than a recent un-popular one.
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Offline ƵenKlassen

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2017, 09:47:21 PM »
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You link suggests it does not exist.  In any case, like all religions it is based upon fiction--so it sucks.

Well, the wikipedia page does exists. You just have to click on "Did you mean: Creativity (religion)?" because the post
screwed up the link for some odd reason.


And it is not based on fiction, since the white race actually does exist.
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Offline ƵenKlassen

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2017, 09:51:17 PM »
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Not unlike Dar al-Islam originally.  All religions and cultural practices/artifacts are the result of human creativity.

But the notions of racism, are particularly ridiculous.  Even Islam ultimately got past "Arabs are the master race" more or less.  It became a universal religion, same as Buddhism and Christianity before it.  Hinduism is not universal, nor is Judaism  Though internally, this leads to arguments as to "who is Hindu" and "who is Jewish".  For some Hindus, Hare Krishna in the West, isn't real Hinduism.  Similarly, most Jews regard Jews For Jesus as not real Judaism.

Might as well convert to Realians in France, as the above quoted burlesque.

I went to a congregational Hannukah celebration last night, and ate latkes with apple sauce.  Traditional Ashkenazi ... and I piss on anyone who thinks I am not Jewish enough, particularly other Jews ;-)  I consider myself Kekistani ;-))

My question for this "White" religion is ... is it pagan, and is it Celtic or Germanic or some other hairy European cave-man cult?

Well, I wouldn't really consider it a religion, since it is based around the white race rather than theology.

The reason why it is a religion in the first place is because religions last way longer than political parties.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2017, 10:21:04 PM »
There we go, we finally have started to scrape the bottom of the barrel with new members, when we are now drawing white "separatists".

 
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Offline Baruch

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2017, 11:00:13 PM »
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Well, the wikipedia page does exists. You just have to click on "Did you mean: Creativity (religion)?" because the post
screwed up the link for some odd reason.


And it is not based on fiction, since the white race actually does exist.

Yes, more an ideology than a religion.  That is not much better.  Actually people exist .. any grouping of people in this way is identity politics.  And identity politics is crap out my ass.  Race doesn't exist ... ethnicity does (cultural and linguistic) ... and often culture/language transcends biological background ... which for many individuals is as pure as any mongrel dog.  Being a mongrel, rather than a pure breed is actually better for you.  And culture does matter ... there are plenty of European related folks who are just so many barbarians.

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I can see why you were banned, if you are just a closet Nazi ;-(  Sorry if that is true.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2017, 11:01:25 PM »
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There we go, we finally have started to scrape the bottom of the barrel with new members, when we are now drawing white "separatists".

Being separate (because you are inferior) is not the same as being separate (because you are superior).  Of course all claims of inferiority are self-hate ... and all claims of superiority are ... laughable.
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Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2017, 11:36:22 PM »
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Well, the wikipedia page does exists. You just have to click on "Did you mean: Creativity (religion)?" because the post
screwed up the link for some odd reason.


And it is not based on fiction, since the white race actually does exist.
No, the 'white race' does not actually exist!  There is no such thing as 'race'.  It is a term used by the ignorant or willfully stupid.  There is only one race of humans--humans.  All differences are superficial. 
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2017, 11:43:02 PM »
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Okay, so there is this religion called Creativity, which is a religion based around the white race...

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And this religion was founded by Ben Klassen in 1973.


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Anyways, what do you think about this religion?
Ben Klassen is a despicable creature--I hesitate to call him  human.  If you are related to him, then I pity you; I loath his beliefs.  And yes, this 'religion' is based on a fiction--the fiction that there are 'races' and that the color of your skin imparts any kind of virtue to you--or any kind of inherent character traits or anything else.  Do you believe the same as Ben Klassen???
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline ƵenKlassen

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2017, 12:45:47 AM »
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Ben Klassen is a despicable creature--I hesitate to call him  human.  If you are related to him, then I pity you; I loath his beliefs.  And yes, this 'religion' is based on a fiction--the fiction that there are 'races' and that the color of your skin imparts any kind of virtue to you--or any kind of inherent character traits or anything else.  Do you believe the same as Ben Klassen???

Yes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen, although I wouldn't call myself a "creator".

Also, I'm not related to Ben Klassen.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2017, 01:30:18 AM »
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Yes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen...

I actually have several questions, all stemming from the wikipedia link since that is all the information about your ideology I have available to me without really getting into it...

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...but to adherents of Creativity and the White Race (which is credited with the creation of civilization)."

-If the "white race" created civilization, then what were the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Indus River civilizations, the Mesopotamians like Ur and Babylon, the Xia/Shang/Zhou dynasties of China, the Aztec/Mayan/Pueblan/Mississippian or Cado/Inca empires in the Americas?

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..."The movement, as formulated by Ben Klassen, exists for the "survival, expansion and advancement of the White Race."

-If the white race is not capable of surviving despite having superiour resources and apparently being the wisest race of them all, can it not be argued that they don't deserve to survive? After all if you are that superiour and still unable to maintain your superiourity, than you are weak and need to be culled.

(Note: That argument is entirely meant to question the idea of white supremacy and not even remotely how I feel about it)


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"They believe that American culture is becoming "more decadent," as evidenced by "black crimes, the growing acceptance of homosexuality, interracial marriage, increasing drug use, and the lack of racial identity among white people"."

- I am over a quarter Italian and Middle Eastern; some people say they are white, historically they weren't. Historically Irish were not white either, yet they are about as visually white as you can get. How can white people maintain racial identity when the very definition of white has been varying for the 300 or so years when social Darwinist started making it a "scientific" thought?


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"Creators are taught to hate their enemies and non-whites (according to Klassen, "Jews, niggers and mud races")..."

Two questions...

-As someone of Middle Eastern and Southern European descent, am I a mud race? Does that exclude me from your little circle jerk of bigotry, or if I really love white people enough am I white enough to be cool?
-Do you believe the Creativity, at it's very core, is not primarily a hate group rather than a white-appreciation group?
« Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 01:11:59 AM by Shiranu »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Opinions on Creativity (religion)
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2017, 08:46:52 AM »
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Yes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen, although I wouldn't call myself a "creator".

Also, I'm not related to Ben Klassen.

I believe in free belief and free speech.  But both of those have consequences.

Are you saying that "White" is cultural/linguistic or biological?  For instance Europeans got well ahead of many other people, for various reasons, one of which was cultural/linguistic ... but not because of something irrelevant as skin color or other biological trivialities.
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