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Offline pr126

What it means to be Red Pilled
« on: December 14, 2017, 09:09:41 AM »
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Offline PickelledEggs

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 11:04:16 AM »
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Are you red-pilled, pr?
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Offline Baruch

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 02:19:30 PM »
I think pr126 was basically born "red pilled".

It has taken me decades, most of my life, to overcome the Matrix ... the Matrix is human culture.  Whether government agencies, like in the dystopian novel, 1984, control the culture, aka "the narrative" or not ... even a spontaneously generated narrative, is just collective insanity, it is Tulip Mania all the way down.

Religion and politics are part of human culture.  They are part of the Matrix.  So politics is implicitly "blue pill" as is religion.  A few of us by mutation, accident of birth, circumstances of development or the dint of due diligence, realize that the culture is a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.

However, it is not possible to be apart from culture ... so there is no solution ... just managing the disease.  I choose to manage my disease ... the medicine I take is a "red pill".
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Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2017, 04:59:54 PM »
Red pill originally just meant being aware of knowledge that the average person was not aware of. In recent years a subset of that type of knowledge has made the term specific to itself.

Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2017, 05:45:09 PM »
The question is, who here is colorblind?
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Offline Baruch

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2017, 05:57:43 PM »
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The question is, who here is colorblind?

Why would you want to be?  Would you want to be tone deaf?  How about totally blind and totally deaf?  The desire for personal purity ... is paranoid and selfish.
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Offline PickelledEggs

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2017, 09:40:07 PM »
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The question is, who here is colorblind?
I actually am, irl
"Tell Pilate to release the files!!!" - Bill Hicks
"I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains will fall out" -James Randi
"One who truly hates himself cannot love, he cannot place his trust in another." - NGE

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 02:04:22 AM »
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I actually am, irl

BTW, I like your avatar of the woman in orange.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
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Offline Baruch

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 05:03:23 AM »
Real inability to see color ... would see things as transparent, not just colorlessly White ... that is the problem with defining political colorblindness ... it simply assumes that everyone is White, middle class and usually male (some dominant norm).  Most non-White folk don't agree with such values, and half of the world is women who don't agree with men at all.  The average African isn't White nor middle class.  And they don't like African-Americans ... because they are American.  Egyptians for instance, even after thousands of years of direct experience, still discriminate on the basis of skin color ... the lighter N Egyptian vs the far S Egyptian (Nubian).  Liberalism only happens in sub-cultures that are sufficiently wealthy, educated and cosmopolitan.  Poverty, ignorance and provincialism works against that.
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Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 01:11:01 PM »
I found the video to be informative and entertaining. The presenter was able to articulate the "red pill" perspective in a way I could understand and I loved how he composed the video. I agree with some of his points and appreciate some of his concerns, particularly the problems associated with the public's increasing distrust of the media and of the left's attempts to silence people who don't subscribe to their values or narrative. I do have some questions that maybe the "red pill" members on this site could explain:

1) One of the most watched and powerful news networks is Fox News and they don't subscribe to the narrative of "the elites," so is there really a unified narrative presented by the mainstream media? For example, topics like immigration, race and transgender rights are hotly debated in both the mainstream and alternative media. (FYI, at my gym the news televisions are always set to Fox News. I don't know if this is because of the owners or the patrons.)

2)  The presenter repeatedly says that red pill people are discussing "reality" and the elites are speaking "nonsense" but isn't the "reality" described by the red pill people simply a different narrative? One group says there are multiple genders and one group says there are only two. Each side can argue this point, define and re-define the term gender and discuss roles, norms and identities, but neither is "reality." The red pills people don't appear to be presenting "truth" but an alternative narrative based on different values and supported by select data. It is unclear from the video whether the presenter acknowledges this.

3) Is the mindset of the red pill people really that different from those on the far left? Both are dissatisfied with the people they perceive to be in power. Both feel alienated, think their narrative is "reality", are concerned about culture (particularly gender roles), engage in political protests, are subject to conspiracy theories and think there needs to be a revolution. Both sides of the horseshoe seem to be singing the same tune, just different lyrics.

4) If red pill people are concerned about "reality" why do they focus on the left and ignore the religious right, whose beliefs are based on faith and not science? The left may control the humanities departments of major universities and some media outlets but I would argue the religious right in the US is currently more powerful than the far left. The religious right currently runs religious schools and universities across the country and are pushing to move their agenda into public schools. They run religious television networks, own media outlets, and run political lobbies including the NRA. Members of the religious right are being given control of government positions by Trump and Pence and Christianity is essentially a prerequisite for being elected to any political office in most areas of the country. Red pills people focus on "the Matrix" of the mainstream media, or of Islam, but seem unconcerned about the Matrix of the Christian right.
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Offline pr126

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 01:53:20 PM »
I am not sure if the Christian Right is as much of a threat as Islam is world wide. ( I live in the U.K.)

Here in Europe Christianity is fading into insignificance but Islam is becoming a problem due to mass immigration.

The media and the authorities are firmly on the side of Islam, and dissenters are “firmly discouraged” to voice their opinions.

IMHO this will not end well.

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”  - Winston Churchill

Offline Baruch

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 05:39:48 PM »
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I found the video to be informative and entertaining. The presenter was able to articulate the "red pill" perspective in a way I could understand and I loved how he composed the video. I agree with some of his points and appreciate some of his concerns, particularly the problems associated with the public's increasing distrust of the media and of the left's attempts to silence people who don't subscribe to their values or narrative. I do have some questions that maybe the "red pill" members on this site could explain:

1) One of the most watched and powerful news networks is Fox News and they don't subscribe to the narrative of "the elites," so is there really a unified narrative presented by the mainstream media? For example, topics like immigration, race and transgender rights are hotly debated in both the mainstream and alternative media. (FYI, at my gym the news televisions are always set to Fox News. I don't know if this is because of the owners or the patrons.)

2)  The presenter repeatedly says that red pill people are discussing "reality" and the elites are speaking "nonsense" but isn't the "reality" described by the red pill people simply a different narrative? One group says there are multiple genders and one group says there are only two. Each side can argue this point, define and re-define the term gender and discuss roles, norms and identities, but neither is "reality." The red pills people don't appear to be presenting "truth" but an alternative narrative based on different values and supported by select data. It is unclear from the video whether the presenter acknowledges this.

3) Is the mindset of the red pill people really that different from those on the far left? Both are dissatisfied with the people they perceive to be in power. Both feel alienated, think their narrative is "reality", are concerned about culture (particularly gender roles), engage in political protests, are subject to conspiracy theories and think there needs to be a revolution. Both sides of the horseshoe seem to be singing the same tune, just different lyrics.

4) If red pill people are concerned about "reality" why do they focus on the left and ignore the religious right, whose beliefs are based on faith and not science? The left may control the humanities departments of major universities and some media outlets but I would argue the religious right in the US is currently more powerful than the far left. The religious right currently runs religious schools and universities across the country and are pushing to move their agenda into public schools. They run religious television networks, own media outlets, and run political lobbies including the NRA. Members of the religious right are being given control of government positions by Trump and Pence and Christianity is essentially a prerequisite for being elected to any political office in most areas of the country. Red pills people focus on "the Matrix" of the mainstream media, or of Islam, but seem unconcerned about the Matrix of the Christian right.

The pill is culture.  There is no escaping that.  Just because I can see thru SJW rhetoric, doesn't mean I am not a fool on other things.  And I actually like some SJW rhetoric, I can appreciate their idealism, however impractical it might be.  And the idea of liberty is ... pretty much a meme, a myth.  A good one though.
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Online Shiranu

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 07:35:41 PM »
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The media and the authorities are firmly on the side of Islam, and dissenters are “firmly discouraged” to voice their opinions.

Dissenters are perfectly free to voice their opinion; I myself hold alot of reservations about open immigration.

It's xenophobes and racists who are asked to kindly fuck off because... well... they are as antithesis to Western ideology as fundamental Islam is.
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Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 08:46:11 PM »
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I actually am, irl
Yeah, me too--but of the red/green type.  I became aware of it when I was administered the color test made up of circles and then asked what number I saw.  I still think they were joking--there were no numbers.  Anyway, I often get red/green mixed up and see brown and red as the same.  Drove my second grade teacher nuts.  She did NOT like brown leaves apparently--or green bark.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: What it means to be Red Pilled
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 09:36:46 PM »
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4) If red pill people are concerned about "reality" why do they focus on the left and ignore the religious right, whose beliefs are based on faith and not science?
Because they're typically right-wingers themselves.

 

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