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U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« on: December 05, 2017, 10:25:44 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/world/middleeast/american-embassy-israel-trump-move.html


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WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and move the American Embassy there, upending nearly seven decades of American foreign policy and potentially destroying his efforts to broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians.


Mr. Trump’s decision, a high-risk foray into the thicket of the Middle East, was driven not by diplomatic calculations but by a campaign promise. He appealed to evangelicals and ardently pro-Israel American Jews in 2016 by vowing to move the embassy, and advisers said on Tuesday he was determined to make good on his word.


But the president, faced with a deadline of this past Monday to make that decision, still plans to sign a national security waiver to keep the embassy in Tel Aviv for an additional six months, even as he set in motion a plan to move it to Jerusalem. Officials said the process would take several years.


More significantly, Mr. Trump is to announce his formal recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital in a formal speech at the White House on Wednesday, when he will become the first American president to take that step since the founding of Israel in 1948.


The entire world is saying, "Please... please... please, don't do that. That is stupid af." ... and Trump don't give a shit.


So, as an atheist... chili, what is Saint Magas excuse this time? You don't buy the Holy Land b.s. I am assuming, so what logical reason is there for him to do something that is intentionally lighting a match in a room full of gunpowder?
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Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 07:19:46 AM »
PM Israel -> Kushner -> Trump.  The US has been taking orders from Israel for a long time now.  It can't get much closer.
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Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 10:40:49 AM »
Trump is a guy who loves to surround himself with chaos.  He seems to feed off of it, and so keeps it going.  Now he gets to do this on a world wide basis.  His one overriding goal is to create more wealth for him and his family.  He does not care how he does it.  Since he has nothing that can be called a moral or ethic or positive value system, he cares not what he does as long as there is some benefit for himself.  I do fear that he also wants to have his war--he does not care where it happens as long as it does. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 12:23:29 PM »
Mike CL wrote:
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His one overriding goal is to create more wealth for him and his family.  He does not care how he does it.
Seems to be the trait of almost all presidents. ...Clintons anyone?
Trump is already a billionaire.


“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper

Online Shiranu (OP)

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 12:47:46 PM »
Mike CL wrote:Seems to be the trait of almost all presidents. ...Clintons anyone?
Trump is already a billionaire.




Whataboutism, the biggest trend of 2017.
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Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2017, 02:55:15 PM »
Mike CL wrote:Seems to be the trait of almost all presidents. ...Clintons anyone?
Trump is already a billionaire.
Is Trump a billionaire?  When has he proved that?  And even if he is, so what?  Does a person stop being greedy when they reach a certain level of wealth???  And it also does not seem out of the realm of possibilities that he regarded true wealth is total power.  Do you think people like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc were poor people??? Are the Clintons wealthy?  Of course.  Name a person in congress that is not.  And great wealth does not keep a person from being evil.  And trump is simply evil. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 08:19:33 PM »
Trump is a guy who loves to surround himself with chaos.  He seems to feed off of it, and so keeps it going.  Now he gets to do this on a world wide basis.  His one overriding goal is to create more wealth for him and his family.  He does not care how he does it.  Since he has nothing that can be called a moral or ethic or positive value system, he cares not what he does as long as there is some benefit for himself.  I do fear that he also wants to have his war--he does not care where it happens as long as it does.

The disruptive business opportunities, created by chaos capitalism ... and exploited thru crony capitalism ... what is not to like?  Kiss your ass goodbye, while you are still limber enough ;-)
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Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 08:20:44 PM »
Is Trump a billionaire?  When has he proved that?  And even if he is, so what?  Does a person stop being greedy when they reach a certain level of wealth???  And it also does not seem out of the realm of possibilities that he regarded true wealth is total power.  Do you think people like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc were poor people??? Are the Clintons wealthy?  Of course.  Name a person in congress that is not.  And great wealth does not keep a person from being evil.  And trump is simply evil.

G-d is Satan.  Trump is Satan.  Trump is G-d.  Bow down and genuflect to his Trump Hams ;-))

Thinking that candidate X is the messiah ... is crazy.

Thinking that candidate Y is the anti-christ ... is also crazy.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 08:48:42 PM by Baruch »
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Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 08:28:10 PM »
Whataboutism, the biggest trend of 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Both parties use it ... only Democrats highlight their fake concern for minorities and the poor, Republicans highlight their fake concern for rule of law and responsible economics.
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Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 09:02:41 PM »
G-d is Satan.  Trump is Satan.  Trump is G-d.  Bow down and genuflect to his Trump Hams ;-))

Thinking that candidate X is the messiah ... is crazy.

Thinking that candidate Y is the anti-christ ... is also crazy.
That is what Trump wants you to think.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 11:48:30 PM »
Why does America have the authority to declare what is and isn't the capital of a foreign nation?
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Online Shiranu (OP)

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 11:51:50 PM »
Why does America have the authority to declare what is and isn't the capital of a foreign nation?

Recognize =/= declare.

Israel has said it's capital is Jerusalem since 48' ... the rest of the world said, "No, it's not." until today. As the major force trying to broker peace between the two sides, with the biggest conflict being over who should control Jerusalem... this is us saying that Israel is the rightful owner of Jerusalem and thus saying we are taking an extremely biased side in Israel's favour, which a mediator cant do.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 11:53:30 PM by Shiranu »
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Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2017, 07:19:53 AM »
That is what Trump wants you to think.

Trump is wrong.  Hillary is G-d, and Comey says so ;-))
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Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 07:20:52 AM »
Why does America have the authority to declare what is and isn't the capital of a foreign nation?

We/they don't, it is pure red meat for the 6 billion Jewish-American voters in NYC ;-(
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 12:44:24 PM by Baruch »
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Online Baruch

Re: U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 07:21:36 AM »
Recognize =/= declare.

Israel has said it's capital is Jerusalem since 48' ... the rest of the world said, "No, it's not." until today. As the major force trying to broker peace between the two sides, with the biggest conflict being over who should control Jerusalem... this is us saying that Israel is the rightful owner of Jerusalem and thus saying we are taking an extremely biased side in Israel's favour, which a mediator cant do.

Abbas says ... US is fired as mediator.  About time!  Bring the troops home!!
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