Author Topic: Apu is offensive!  (Read 4125 times)

Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #120 on: July 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM »
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"You hate yourself"

It's only racist if it's not white.

I fucking hate culture appropriated, less humored, SJW, PC, Colored Double Standards.

Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #121 on: July 28, 2018, 05:51:59 AM »
I try to b a little bit PC, a little bit grasping SJW. But when they flung their shit at me just for the  color of my skin for every goddamn mistake or word I say I want to physical tear them a new one.


Online Munch

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #122 on: July 28, 2018, 07:54:00 AM »
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I try to b a little bit PC, a little bit grasping SJW. But when they flung their shit at me just for the  color of my skin for every goddamn mistake or word I say I want to physical tear them a new one.

I've learned myself where I stand politically in things, and i stand in a bit more balance of ideas in how the world works today. I'm a classic liberal and you probably are too.
The problem today is modern sjw types are so far left, that you are to the right of them and so what you think about todays political problems will be seen as 'on the right'.

Offline SGOS

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #123 on: July 28, 2018, 08:58:09 AM »
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I find this [insert your label here] -  American strange. Why is it not just American?
Why is it important to name the country of origin for citizens?
For example, African American usually refers to black people
What about those who never been to Africa for generations or not from Africa at all?

Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans who never been to their original countries but born in America?

Isn't that labeling a kind of discrimination?
A melting pot that refuses to become fully American?

Also, this constant mentioning of the melanin content of the individual, isn't that race-baiting?

I lived in the UK since 1970. Never once I was called Hungarian British.
It would sound weird. You can be called either Hungarian or British. Never both.

Come to think of it, here in the UK we also have some labeling system.
The child molesting groups which are so prevalent here have a distinct label, they are called “Asians”.
Of course everybody understands that the eupheism really means Pakistani Muslims.
But this way it sound inoffensive. It could be anybody east of Europe.

Let's see who gets triggered by this post.
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Actually, I'm not triggered by this at all, but I do find some parts of discussions interesting.  Melting pots, mixed American labels, and race caught my attention.  I was told in grade school that the US is a melting pot, and my teacher explained what that meant.  I could tell by the tone of her voice that we should all be proud to be a melting pot, because that was a good thing and separated us from other countries, which presumably are not.

Much later in life, just out of high school, I visited British Columbia and Alberta, and I was surprised to realize that Canada was more of a melting pot than we were.  Except maybe for Quebec, which is all about being French, flipping off Americans, and speaking French (or more correctly, never speaking English (or acting all pissy when it's necessary).  I only spent a short time there, but I didn't feel welcomed, and I drove through Quebec as fast as I could.

I'm guessing here that America did take pride in being a melting pot one time.  It's even written on the Statue of Liberty, given to us by the French; Go figure.  But the fact is that "melting pot" is just a meme, and about half of all Americans hate the concept, and that is a large part for why Trump is president.  So I don't take this melting pot thing seriously.  I think we are a relatively poor melting pot.  I don't know about others.

German/American, Italian/American, etc, are labels that are important to Americans.  I won't try to explain why; I don't know why.  Maybe it's not really important, but just something we do.  African/American is a special case, however.  I don't know if I speak for all, but I don't think it signifies country of origin which is seldom Africa, anyway (It's actually America).  It specifically means a black person, and somewhere back around the 60s, it became the politically correct term to use to identify race.  Much later, it became politically correct to stamp out race, as if race didn't exist.  Possibly it doesn't, although I think there are genetic arguments on both sides.  But that's irrelevant.  Race exists, even if it's only a human construct, and you can bet your ass that people treat it as important, because it affects all of our lives on a daily basis, and even if that's not true, people think it's true.

The movement to psychologically remove the essence of race from our lives will fail.  At best, there will just be other words instead of African/American and white invented to describe this thing that is part of our lives.  This is not to say there are no problems with race.  It is imperative they be corrected, but we need to acknowledge the thing we call race rather than ignore it to even begin.  How about embracing races and racial equality?  That's the way I would handle it.

Maybe 300 years from now things will be different, but the concept of race is still as strong today as it was 300 years ago, although some of the inequalities have been removed, race still affects people, even with "integration" and civil rights.  Getting rid of the concept, whether or not it exists in our DNA is not going to happen very fast.

I was also surprised when blacks at the university years ago became adamant about being called black.  "That's our color," I heard one yell through an electronic megaphone.  I was surprised for two reasons.  When I was a kid, calling an African/American black, was an invite to receive a punch in the face.  And two, black is not really accurate.  Black is a very vivid absence of color, and even the most dark skinned African/Americans don't achieve that.  But I'm happy to use "black" when I'm around my black friends.  Everyone is comfortable with the term, and it's a necessary term whenever we discuss issues of RACE, which come up from time to time. 

Offline Baruch

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #124 on: July 28, 2018, 10:32:05 AM »
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I find this [insert your label here] -  American strange. Why is it not just American?
Why is it important to name the country of origin for citizens?
For example, African American usually refers to black people
What about those who never been to Africa for generations or not from Africa at all?

Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans who never been to their original countries but born in America?

Isn't that labeling a kind of discrimination?
A melting pot that refuses to become fully American?

Also, this constant mentioning of the melanin content of the individual, isn't that race-baiting?

I lived in the UK since 1970. Never once I was called Hungarian British.
It would sound weird. You can be called either Hungarian or British. Never both.

Come to think of it, here in the UK we also have some labeling system.
The child molesting groups which are so prevalent here have a distinct label, they are called “Asians”.
Of course everybody understands that the eupheism really means Pakistani Muslims.
But this way it sound inoffensive. It could be anybody east of Europe.

Let's see who gets triggered by this post.

If you were from Nigeria or Jamaica ... you might have heard about it.  Hungarian-Jewish folks are considered White now.  In the US it is all about politics ... from Teddy Roosevelt to Woodrow Wilson ... back in the day when immigration was an open door into the US (closed in 1920).

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Identity politics ... the Republicans were losing immigrant votes to the Democrats (start of pre-FDR coalition) and Wilson was a racist Democrat.  There isn't much teeth in the old European-American epithets today, but it was a big deal with prior generations, say 1960 or earlier.  My wife's grandmother was Italian-American (recent immigrant) and was discriminated in the local Catholic Church, because it was run by German-Americans.

Jewish folks are assimilated now, so only die-hard anti-semites still care.  Part of that assimilation was political ... Jews moved from supporting Socialist parties, to supporting the D/R duopoly.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #125 on: July 28, 2018, 10:36:41 AM »
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I try to b a little bit PC, a little bit grasping SJW. But when they flung their shit at me just for the  color of my skin for every goddamn mistake or word I say I want to physical tear them a new one.

Anyone who mentions skin color at all, in anything other than a skin doctor/plastic surgeon convention, is a racist.  No matter what trendy liberal labels they put on themselves.  Generally speaking, if you are talking about an American who was born and raised here, mentioning their parents/ancestors  national origin is bigoted, except on Ancestry.com.  No matter what trendy liberal labels they put on themselves.  Talking about immigrants is touchy ... naturalized legal immigrants are better citizens than the native born ones.

African immigrants, and native African-Americans are the situation that breaks the rules however.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #126 on: August 01, 2018, 04:19:56 AM »
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Anyone who mentions skin color at all, in anything other than a skin doctor/plastic surgeon convention, is a racist.  No matter what trendy liberal labels they put on themselves.  Generally speaking, if you are talking about an American who was born and raised here, mentioning their parents/ancestors  national origin is bigoted, except on Ancestry.com.  No matter what trendy liberal labels they put on themselves.  Talking about immigrants is touchy ... naturalized legal immigrants are better citizens than the native born ones.

African immigrants, and native African-Americans are the situation that breaks the rules however.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #127 on: August 01, 2018, 08:01:46 PM »
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Humanity has to turn beigeish...

But being a Democrat is a recessive gene ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2018, 02:18:09 AM »
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But being a Democrat is a recessive gene ;-)

You never HAVE shown much understanding about genetics...  And this further proves it.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Apu is offensive!
« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2018, 09:29:02 AM »
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You never HAVE shown much understanding about genetics...  And this further proves it.

Being Democrat is a dominant gene?  Seems both R and D are dominant genes.  Wannabee tyrants.
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