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Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2017, 08:56:04 PM »
Obama collusion with Russia was just fine ;-)

Most Republicans have a Hillary card, but it seems you have an Obama card as well.

"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2017, 09:06:42 PM »
Read a bit from Chilli's post.

Chilli who?
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Offline Hydra009 (OP)

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2017, 10:25:52 PM »
I can readily understand that people could be taught without too much effort that breathing dirty air with a high degree of toxins and particulates would build their immune systems.
Technically, this guy's claim has nothing to do with toxins or immune systems.  The claim is that breathing in irritants somehow helps people "ward them off".  This is kinda what I'm talking about.  It's easy to get confused or link it to something else because it just sounds so bafflingly stupid on its own.  It's almost as if one subconsciously wants to change it to make it make some sort of sense.

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Some people with lower than 100 are nice people, and some are hard working, but they all struggle with concepts that you and I could grasp with modest effort.
That's the thing.  I've never claimed to be some sort of genius, in truth I'm fairly average - and even I can recognize this guy's BS as BS.  If anything, it should be more obvious to most other people.

I've talked to people who are well above me in a lot of ways and it's really scary for me to learn that they harbor pseudoscientific beliefs or beliefs that are fairly obviously empirically untrue.  I just don't get how someone can do literal rocket science one day and then say that sharks don't get cancer the next.  I couldn't figure out the former if my life depended on it, but I can figure out the latter with google and a couple minutes of free time.

This shouldn't be something people struggle with, it should be a foundational skill like being able to tie your shoes or find your house.

Offline Baruch

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2017, 10:41:42 PM »
Most Republicans have a Hillary card, but it seems you have an Obama card as well.

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Bill Clinton ... Bill is Great
Barak Obama ... Barak is Great
Hillary Clinton ... Hillary is Great

There is your true holy Trinity of D party Islam.  But not mine.

You assume too much, that I even care what Trump does, that I even care what the government does.  I should want to be a nihilist like Unbeliever or MikeCL .. that the US is better dead than alive, that everything is better dead than alive, because death is simple, not messy like living.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 03:39:04 AM »
The more "Republican" the Republicans get, the crazier they seem.  They HAVE to wear out eventually, don't they?
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2017, 06:34:54 AM »
The more "Republican" the Republicans get, the crazier they seem.  They HAVE to wear out eventually, don't they?

You forgot the "sarc" tag, Comrade Bear.  They haven't worn out in 200 years (if you count the Wigs).
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Offline Cavebear

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 08:04:08 AM »
You forgot the "sarc" tag, Comrade Bear.  They haven't worn out in 200 years (if you count the Wigs).

It wasn't sarcasm.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 12:02:34 PM »
You forgot the "sarc" tag, Comrade Bear.  They haven't worn out in 200 years (if you count the Wigs).

If I'm not mistaken, Republicans and Democrats used to have much more common ground. The polarization of the two parties is a somewhat recent thing in American history, and it's only getting worse. Somehow, Republicans managed to err almost exclusively on the extremes of stupidity and bigotry.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Offline Hydra009 (OP)

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2017, 12:11:33 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Republicans and Democrats used to have much more common ground. The polarization of the two parties is a somewhat recent thing in American history, and it's only getting worse.
Correct.

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Somehow, Republicans managed to err almost exclusively on the extremes of stupidity and bigotry.
Tell me about it.  Abortion, Intelligent Design, gay marriage, abstinence-only education, trickle-down economics, torture, etc.  It must be nice to be lose the argument consistently and still be ushered into power.

Offline Cavebear

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2017, 12:26:38 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Republicans and Democrats used to have much more common ground. The polarization of the two parties is a somewhat recent thing in American history, and it's only getting worse. Somehow, Republicans managed to err almost exclusively on the extremes of stupidity and bigotry.

Right On!  Or should that be Left On?  Neither actually.  My political roots go back to the time you described.  When both parties had liberals and conservatives.  When (usually) both parties paid attention to the middle.  When there were liberal Republicans (socially liberal and fiscally conservative) and conservative Democrats (socially conservative and fiscally liberal) and all flavors in between.

I miss that.  And I hold to that idea of both parties having candidates you had to think to choose between.

Today it is all automatic.  You pick a side and there isn't really much other choice.  You aren't allowed nuance in the voting booth anymore.  The voting booths are advanced; the choices aren't.  They might as well just have 23 buttons.  Republican, Democrat and Any Other (you dumb loser).

There are times when I wish there could be a test to pass for voters, but I know why there can't be.  There are times when I wish we could vote for 2 candidates a 1st choice and a 2nd, so 3rd parties got more recognition.  THAT would make me think.  2nd choice Libertarian, Green, other? 

I would like the Presidential debates to be more open.  The top 4 or 5 regardless of polls.  That would pull the top 2 into some informative discussions.  And it would tell us who is waiting in the wings with interesting ideas.  It might kill some of the negative advertising, too.  It is harder to "negative" 4 people than one.

Might that cause the top 2 to sort of join against the others?  Maybe.  But it would reveal a lot about them too.  And the other 2 or 3 would have a chance to respond.

There are many good possibilities in expanded debates and few negatives.  A crazy candidate would be laughed off, but  good one would have a chance to suggest new ideas.

Ah, but I'm just one old poly-sci major who has some ideas...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Cavebear

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2017, 12:34:31 PM »
You forgot the "sarc" tag, Comrade Bear.  They haven't worn out in 200 years (if you count the Wigs).

I request you stop calling me "Comrade Bear".  I am not a communist.  I'm not even socialist.  I am probably Libertarian/Progressive/Atheist. 

It is just that when my only 2 voting choices are a crazy theistic conservative and a slightly less crazy liberal, I go liberal with hope of the future rather than hope in the past.

OK?
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2017, 01:09:12 PM »
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Robert Phalen, an air pollution researcher at the Irvine campus of the University of California, said in 2012 that children need to breathe irritants so that their bodies learn how to ward them off.

“Modern air,” he told the American Association for the Advancement of Science, “is a little too clean for optimum health.”

Imagine if the NRA released a statement saying that a couple of grams of lead were good for you....
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Offline Cavebear

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2017, 01:56:02 PM »
Imagine if the NRA released a statement saying that a couple of grams of lead were good for you....

"Well, what a gram or 2 of lead among the underlings", said the Republican drinking his filtered water...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2017, 07:35:29 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Republicans and Democrats used to have much more common ground. The polarization of the two parties is a somewhat recent thing in American history, and it's only getting worse. Somehow, Republicans managed to err almost exclusively on the extremes of stupidity and bigotry.

Last 5 years, 50 years, 150 years?  Depends on the time frame.  No, in my lifetime (last 50+ years) they have everything in common ... criminal behavior.  I don't see that as a good thing.  Some people prefer X criminal behavior over Y criminal behavior.  I don't care what the differences are between them.  Irish mafia, Italian mafia ... it is just criminal all around.  There is nothing good in the US, since 1960 ... and I am not sure about 1960.
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Offline Baruch

Re: EPA appointee says air is too clean
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2017, 07:38:25 PM »
I request you stop calling me "Comrade Bear".  I am not a communist.  I'm not even socialist.  I am probably Libertarian/Progressive/Atheist. 

It is just that when my only 2 voting choices are a crazy theistic conservative and a slightly less crazy liberal, I go liberal with hope of the future rather than hope in the past.

OK?

So OK, just a Democrat.  Same thing to me.  But then I think Capitalists are evil too.  There is no good in the political world.
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