I plan on protesting Richard Spencer

Started by Jannabear, October 30, 2017, 02:38:12 AM

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Jannabear

Richard Spencer is very likely coming to Cincinnati, I plan on protesting his speech, alongside a church, some UC students, and whoever else comes.
I view him as a threat to local racial minorities, LGBT people, and innocent people in general.
America's economic system is failing miserably, and its descending quickly into a mess.

The historical precedent is that if you don't oppose far right figures who cloak themselves in nationalist rhetoric and racism, they will take control of white working class communities and at the least, bring about neo conservative movements which do a lot of harm, bolster a lot of systemic, and systematic racism, and bolster neo liberal pseudo opposition, and mass support for US imperialism, which we cannot allow now that we finally have two generations who are opposing those things.

Does anyone else plan on going, or have any of you protested him or anyone similar in the past?

Baruch

Quote from: Jannabear on October 30, 2017, 02:38:12 AM
Richard Spencer is very likely coming to Cincinnati, I plan on protesting his speech, alongside a church, some UC students, and whoever else comes.
I view him as a threat to local racial minorities, LGBT people, and innocent people in general.
America's economic system is failing miserably, and its descending quickly into a mess.

The historical precedent is that if you don't oppose far right figures who cloak themselves in nationalist rhetoric and racism, they will take control of white working class communities and at the least, bring about neo conservative movements which do a lot of harm, bolster a lot of systemic, and systematic racism, and bolster neo liberal pseudo opposition, and mass support for US imperialism, which we cannot allow now that we finally have two generations who are opposing those things.

Does anyone else plan on going, or have any of you protested him or anyone similar in the past?

If you go, please be careful.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Munch

I admire your clout, facing this kinda thing head on. Just be careful and if things turn ugly get out of there
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Hydra009

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Quote from: Jannabear on October 30, 2017, 02:38:12 AMThe historical precedent is that if you don't oppose far right figures who cloak themselves in nationalist rhetoric and racism, they will take control of white working class communities and at the least, bring about neo conservative movements which do a lot of harm, bolster a lot of systemic, and systematic racism, and bolster neo liberal pseudo opposition, and mass support for US imperialism, which we cannot allow now that we finally have two generations who are opposing those things.
I don't expect Alt Nazis to be much more than a flash in the pan phenomenon, but I do worry about these pathetic troglodytes exacerbating racial tensions and directly/indirectly causing more violence than they have already.

And yeah, when they encounter stiff resistance, they sometimes cancel and spare everyone from having to endure their tirades of hateful bullshit.  So good on you.

Cavebear

Quote from: Hydra009 on October 30, 2017, 12:18:50 PM
I don't expect Alt Nazis to be much more than a flash in the pan phenomenon, but I do worry about these pathetic troglodytes exacerbating racial tensions and directly/indirectly causing more violence than they have already.

And yeah, when they encounter stiff resistance, they sometimes cancel and spare everyone from having to endure their tirades of hateful bullshit.  So good on you.

It is better to fight against nazi groups in the US now than later.  It is like weeding the garden.  Small weeds are easier to supress now than larger ones later.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on October 31, 2017, 12:55:21 AM
It is better to fight against nazi groups in the US now than later.  It is like weeding the garden.  Small weeds are easier to supress now than larger ones later.

Too late.  The US was Nazi before 1940, and resumed in 1946.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on October 31, 2017, 07:02:13 AM
Too late.  The US was Nazi before 1940, and resumed in 1946.
So, you are saying we were on the wrong side?  And too dumb to realize it?
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

pr126

What is the difference between Nazi, Alt-Nazi or Neo-Nazi? (National Socialist)
How does one distinguish those? What are the signs?

Or is this the wrong question?

Cavebear

Quote from: pr126 on October 31, 2017, 11:05:15 AM
What is the difference between Nazi, Alt-Nazi or Neo-Nazi? (National Socialist)
How does one distinguish those? What are the signs?

Or is this the wrong question?

Not the wrong question.  Just that some people try to change their labels to confuse the public.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

pr126

Quote from: Cavebear on October 31, 2017, 11:23:30 AM
Not the wrong question.  Just that some people try to change their labels to confuse the public.

Well, a Nazi is still a Nazi no matter what pronouns people attaching to them.
I do not think there are different denominations of Nazis.

Cavebear

Quote from: pr126 on October 31, 2017, 11:34:29 AM
Well, a Nazi is still a Nazi no matter what pronouns people attaching to them.
I do not think there are different denominations of Nazis.

Bro-Hug!!!  From a safe personal distance, of course...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on October 31, 2017, 08:45:04 AM
So, you are saying we were on the wrong side?  And too dumb to realize it?

Americans are vicious killers, since Jamestown.  Just ask the kind folk of Salem too.  What is the wrong side?  The one I am not on.  I was born here, I live and work here.  So I will defend here ... but not because of Civics 101 lies.  Perhaps, if all other things being equal, and I wasn't American or German, I might have more sympathy for the Germans ... or not.  It is hard not to be prejudiced.  There are fanatics everywhere.

But now, only Superman is on the side of Truth, Justice and the American Way.  I smiled when I learned there were comics with Superman as a Brit, or as a Soviet.  In the Soviet version, Lex Luthor was the US President.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: pr126 on October 31, 2017, 11:05:15 AM
What is the difference between Nazi, Alt-Nazi or Neo-Nazi? (National Socialist)
How does one distinguish those? What are the signs?

Or is this the wrong question?

Calling someone Nazi, outside of some Germans prior to 1950 .... is rhetorical.  It is like saying "you got cooties" ... but you say "you got nazis".  Technically, an alt-Nazi would be any totalitarian during or after that period, who isn't an explicit admirer of Hitler, just of Hitler'e methods.  Outright idolizing of Hitler, post 1950 could make you a neo-Nazi.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

trdsf

Quote from: Jannabear on October 30, 2017, 02:38:12 AM
Does anyone else plan on going, or have any of you protested him or anyone similar in the past?
Right now we're hoping to keep him from polluting our city; Ohio State has refused to lease him speaking space, although the little turd is suing.

I think they should make as a condition of leasing him the space that he also be responsible for the cost of additional security.  That might change his mind.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Cavebear

I hesitate on this idea sometimes, but "freedom of speech" doesn't guarantee you a public podium paid for by others... 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!