Author Topic: Gun Control  (Read 1069 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #105 on: October 31, 2017, 07:49:29 PM »
Ah, the Old West.  Where cowboys entering town had to surrender their weapons to the Sheriff, seldom had gunfights, and "death by gun" was very low...  The good old days...

Just can't trust Hollywood, now can we.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #106 on: November 04, 2017, 01:08:53 AM »
Haha ... tell that to Morgan Earp.  Bushwhacked by the Clantons.

The guns of the Earps and the Clantons were never concealed...  That's what caused the fight.  Towns required that guns of outsiders be surrendered while in town.  The Clanton's refused.  It forced a minor town war for control.  The Earps won.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #107 on: November 04, 2017, 09:05:41 AM »
Hollywood glorification or not, most of us wouldn't have wanted to live in a place like Dodge City when Wyatt Earp was earning his reputation as a bad ass. According to studies of newspaper obituaries the per capita homicide rate in Dodge City during the height of the cattle boom there was 165 per 100,000.

To put that in perspective the 5-year homicide rate (2010-2015) in Chicago was 16.4. That's a tenth what it was in Dodge Cityin Wyatt Earp's day. The worse place in the US during that period was New Orleans at 46.9. About a fourth of Dodge City's rate. The worst place in the world right now is Caracas Venezuela at 130. Still a good bit less than Dodge City despite the fact that private gun ownership was completely banned in that country in 2012.

Venezuela is often used by the American right as an example of where we are headed if the left gets their way.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #108 on: November 04, 2017, 09:31:11 AM »
Hollywood glorification or not, most of us wouldn't have wanted to live in a place like Dodge City when Wyatt Earp was earning his reputation as a bad ass. According to studies of newspaper obituaries the per capita homicide rate in Dodge City during the height of the cattle boom there was 165 per 100,000.

To put that in perspective the 5-year homicide rate (2010-2015) in Chicago was 16.4. That's a tenth what it was in Dodge Cityin Wyatt Earp's day. The worse place in the US during that period was New Orleans at 46.9. About a fourth of Dodge City's rate. The worst place in the world right now is Caracas Venezuela at 130. Still a good bit less than Dodge City despite the fact that private gun ownership was completely banned in that country in 2012.

Venezuela is often used by the American right as an example of where we are headed if the left gets their way.

Yeah. Rather than every other developed country in the world, which have by far fewer gun-related homocides and suicides, let's only pay attention to Venezuela. I mean seriously, after accounting for population, several countries put together would be needed to equal the amount of gun violence in America.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #109 on: November 04, 2017, 10:14:48 AM »
Hollywood glorification or not, most of us wouldn't have wanted to live in a place like Dodge City when Wyatt Earp was earning his reputation as a bad ass. According to studies of newspaper obituaries the per capita homicide rate in Dodge City during the height of the cattle boom there was 165 per 100,000.

To put that in perspective the 5-year homicide rate (2010-2015) in Chicago was 16.4. That's a tenth what it was in Dodge Cityin Wyatt Earp's day. The worse place in the US during that period was New Orleans at 46.9. About a fourth of Dodge City's rate. The worst place in the world right now is Caracas Venezuela at 130. Still a good bit less than Dodge City despite the fact that private gun ownership was completely banned in that country in 2012.

Venezuela is often used by the American right as an example of where we are headed if the left gets their way.

If the Left get their way ... it is Gulag in Alaska.  So ... I have no reason to invest in their bloody revolution.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #110 on: November 07, 2017, 04:19:19 AM »
If the Left get their way ... it is Gulag in Alaska.  So ... I have no reason to invest in their bloody revolution.

Who, exactly, do you think the Left wants to put in Alaskan gulags?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2017, 06:49:14 AM »
Who, exactly, do you think the Left wants to put in Alaskan gulags?

Anyone to the Right of Lenin.  Stalin is discredited.  The Fabian Communists continue to infest and push toward Russia, 1922.  Socialists are Communists, who want other Communists to do the violence, but are too tidy to do any violence themselves.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #112 on: November 07, 2017, 07:45:24 AM »
Anyone to the Right of Lenin.  Stalin is discredited.  The Fabian Communists continue to infest and push toward Russia, 1922.  Socialists are Communists, who want other Communists to do the violence, but are too tidy to do any violence themselves.

On scale US of 10 (10 far left) I am probably 7.  On an international scale, I might be a 6.  I have not liking for gulags, Stalin, communists or anything authoritarian.    I have no love of violence to gain political ends.

Your statements say more about you than they do me.   In fact, I am more concerned about you then ever previously.   I'm not sure even a Alt-Righter would consider me communist.  Well, OK, they consider 95% of the world communist, but do you want to be counted among THEM?  Hmm, you might.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #113 on: November 07, 2017, 07:54:56 PM »
On scale US of 10 (10 far left) I am probably 7.  On an international scale, I might be a 6.  I have not liking for gulags, Stalin, communists or anything authoritarian.    I have no love of violence to gain political ends.

Your statements say more about you than they do me.   In fact, I am more concerned about you then ever previously.   I'm not sure even a Alt-Righter would consider me communist.  Well, OK, they consider 95% of the world communist, but do you want to be counted among THEM?  Hmm, you might.

We corrected that false impression elsewhere.  Democrat you are ... rebel without a cause you do.  If you don't love violence, how can you support any government?  Why aren't you a pacifist anarchist?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2017, 05:18:06 AM »
Paul Joseph Watson does a good wrap-up of the Texas Church Massacre ...



No, it isn't just an opportunity for political opportunists to toot their own horns.  Sad.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2017, 01:39:00 AM »
We corrected that false impression elsewhere.  Democrat you are ... rebel without a cause you do.  If you don't love violence, how can you support any government?  Why aren't you a pacifist anarchist?

I have a cause.  It is bi-partisan rational government.  One that attends to both national infrastructure and international relations.  One that understands that we should engage in international cooperative treaties to balance and improve trade and limit weapons of mass destruction.  One that doesn't put so many minor drug users in prison.  One that allows that children brought here should stay because it is the only culture and language they know.  One that doesn't put college students in lifelong debt.  One that doesn't try to make one religion's beliefs the basis of law.  One that doesn't seek to make abortion a crime.  One that doesn't Gerrymander State districts for political benefit.  One that doesn't try to make real news "fake news".

Etc, etc. etc...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2017, 02:13:14 AM »
I have a cause.  It is bi-partisan rational government.  One that attends to both national infrastructure and international relations.  One that understands that we should engage in international cooperative treaties to balance and improve trade and limit weapons of mass destruction.  One that doesn't put so many minor drug users in prison.  One that allows that children brought here should stay because it is the only culture and language they know.  One that doesn't put college students in lifelong debt.  One that doesn't try to make one religion's beliefs the basis of law.  One that doesn't seek to make abortion a crime.  One that doesn't Gerrymander State districts for political benefit.  One that doesn't try to make real news "fake news".

Etc, etc. etc...

Old fashioned, just like both of us ;-)  That isn't how pop culture is these days ;-(
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2017, 02:39:12 PM »
Even the smallest of towns in America aren't safe from gun-toting nuts:


Northern California Gunman Killed Wife Before Shooting Rampage


How will this ever be dealt with? How can anyone do anything at all to put an end to this god-damned insanity!?


If I ever vote again I'll be a one-issue voter - gun control! I know it's likely too late to put that genie back in the bottle, but damn, something has to break one way or another.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2017, 03:06:17 PM »
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Baruch

Re: Gun Control
« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2017, 07:06:26 PM »
Even the smallest of towns in America aren't safe from gun-toting nuts:


Northern California Gunman Killed Wife Before Shooting Rampage


How will this ever be dealt with? How can anyone do anything at all to put an end to this god-damned insanity!?


If I ever vote again I'll be a one-issue voter - gun control! I know it's likely too late to put that genie back in the bottle, but damn, something has to break one way or another.

Wrong issue.  You need to support banning all marriage, not just gay marriage.
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