Author Topic: We're number one!  (Read 353 times)

Offline Mr.Obvious (OP)

We're number one!
« on: October 18, 2017, 02:51:55 AM »


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Nowhere in the world do people hold religion in such low regard as in Belgium

The Belgians are completely out of God's grace. Two out of three Belgians believe that religion does more harm than good. This is concluded from an internation study from the renowned research-bureau Ipsos. In no other Western country is that number that high. "Religion is not coming over well these last few decennia", says Rik Torfs. "And that is, for a large part, their own fault."

 Relgion, its good for nothing. That is, shortly put, the Belgians attitude. The small, god-fearing Belgium is no more, Ipsos' study seems to imply. The research posed questions in 24 countries, from the United States to Argentina to Japan, about how the 21st-century human relates to religion. Barely, is the answer. In our country 68% of the questioned see religion as a force for evil. The average is 49 percent, no other country is quite so turned off by religion.
 Why this is, Ipsos doesn't say. But Rik Torfs, professor in Canon Law, doesn't find it surprising at all. "Belgium is a very secularized country. We banned the influence of the church from almost all domains of society. That has its reasons. In the past there has been quite some misuse of power, many people suffered traumas because of that. Those bad feelings are passed on from generation to generation."

 But make no mistake, says Patrick Loobuyck, moral-philosopher with a specialisation in religion at the University of Gent: "Belgians are no anti-catholics. But the pedophilia-schandals of the recent decennia within the Catholic Church, in combination with the terrorism inspired by Islam, lead to a general dislike of all that smells of religion."

 "Religion is an ambivalent phenomenon", says Loobuyck. "It brings out the best - charity, respect - and the worst - bombings in the name of a God - in people. That has always been the case and will always remain the same. In this moment the negative feelings are gaining ground amongst people. When there are murders committed  in the name of religion, or when certain religious people  abuse their power, a general sense of dislike reigns. And then its no surprise that we in Belgium are at the forefront of the world in believing religion cause more harm than good."

 "We even score higher than the French", says Torfs. "And that is saying something. Because if there is one people that have banned religion, its the French. But they did it so thoroughly - and so long ago - that they are clearly not bothered by it anymore." The French are eight in that line-up, with 61%.

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 "Religion is not coming over well these last few decennia", says Rik Torfs. "And that is, for a large part, their own fault. The [Catholic] Church, and other religions, have an image-problem. And no-one has the perfect solution for that. It might decrease over time, but for example the bishops might do well to communicate properly once in a while. That's not happening right  now, which makes them increasingly less familiar. And that often means less loved."

 Source:http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20171016_03134292


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Offline Cavebear

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 04:08:58 AM »
Congrats, you have a great society.  Wish I could live there.  But my language skills are limited.
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Offline Baruch

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 06:55:08 AM »
Congrats, you have a great society.  Wish I could live there.  But my language skills are limited.

Mother of all EUs/Euros ... and they are ready to split between Walloon and Fleming ... yes, great society indeed.  No reflection on Mr Obvious.  I don't hold him responsible for Brussel Sprouts.  I don't even hold the many D posters here responsible for Hillary.
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Offline Mr.Obvious (OP)

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 08:29:00 AM »
Mother of all EUs/Euros ... and they are ready to split between Walloon and Fleming ... yes, great society indeed.  No reflection on Mr Obvious.  I don't hold him responsible for Brussel Sprouts.  I don't even hold the many D posters here responsible for Hillary.

Bah, they've been ready to split Flanders and the Walloons ever since we became a nation.
I don't think we'll ever bother. It would be too much bother. And that, in a nutshell, is the Belgian attitude to most things.
It's a lot easier and a lot more entertaining just to laugh at your own inadequacy rather than to work on it.
Why change the world when you can just sit back and poke fun at it and yourself?
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In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Offline pr126

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 09:04:31 AM »
Just be careful that you don't have to worship Allah in the years to come.

“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper

Offline Mr.Obvious (OP)

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 09:09:19 AM »
Our government stomped out Sharia4Belgium, as I told you once before.
Your concerns are more properly directed at the Netherlands, Pr126.
They are still struggling with theirs.
E = Mc²

In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 11:30:21 AM »
Good for Belgium. I know very little about the country, but it's just earned a lot of respect from me. Perhaps if I ever do decide to leave this country of Bible thumping idiots, Bulgium will be at the top of my list of places to go.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »
Just be careful that you don't have to worship Allah in the years to come.

Yeah sharia Law...  Must be a lot different than christian law.  Somehow.  Somewhere.  Maybe.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Mr.Obvious (OP)

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 11:54:56 AM »
Good for Belgium. I know very little about the country, but it's just earned a lot of respect from me. Perhaps if I ever do decide to leave this country of Bible thumping idiots, Bulgium will be at the top of my list of places to go.

If you ever do, let me know. Would love to meet some of you guys in person. And I know some great bars in Antwerp, Mechelen and Gent.
E = Mc²

In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Offline pr126

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 11:56:04 AM »
  Sharia Law for non Muslims


A short list:

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Under Sharia law:
• There is no freedom of religion
• There is no freedom of speech
• There is no freedom of thought
• There is no freedom of artistic expression
• There is no freedom of the press
• There is no equality of peoples—a non-Muslim, a Kafir, is never
equal to a Muslim
• There is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of
people. Justice is dualistic, with one set of laws for Muslim males
and different laws for women and non-Muslims.
• There are no equal rights for women
• Women can be beaten
• A non-Muslim cannot bear arms
• There is no democracy, since democracy means that a non-Muslim
is equal to a Muslim
• Our Constitution is a man-made document of ignorance, jahiliyah,
that must submit to Sharia
• Non-Muslims are dhimmis, second-class subjects
• All governments must be ruled by Sharia law
• Unlike common law, Sharia is not interpretive, nor can it be
changed
• There is no Golden Rule

Add to that stoning of adulterers, chopping off limbs, FGM, "Honor" killings that is not punishable, slavery, killing of unbelievers on a whim, killing gays and much more.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 12:05:22 PM by pr126 »
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Offline Cavebear

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 12:02:29 PM »
  Sharia Law for non Muslims


A short list:

Under christian law, it would be much the same.  What protects us from BOTH OR EITHER is "separation of church from the State".  If fundamental moslems had their way, it would be sharia law.  If fundemental christians had their way, it would biblical law. 

I see little difference.  Both are crazed superstitious fanatics.

Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline pr126

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 12:13:18 PM »
In Islam, there is no separation of mosque and state.
I am sure you are referring to the USA only with the bible laws.

Anywhere else Christians (even the most fanatical ) would not follow and obey the old testament laws.
If I am not mistaken, there is the bible v2.0 (New Testament) which is less bloody.

While the Quran is the immutable, unchangeable word of Allah. For all times.

Your comment is pure conjecture with no evidence to back it up. A hyperbole at best.
While it is clear to see for the whole world what Islam is capable of in the 21st century.


« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 12:19:17 PM by pr126 »
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Offline Cavebear

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 12:23:54 PM »
In Islam, there is no separation of mosque and state.
I am sure you are referring to the USA only with the bible laws.

Anywhere else Christians (even the most fanatical ) would not follow and obey the old testament laws.
If I am not mistaken, there is the bible v2.0 (New Testament) which is less bloody.


I admire your jest.  Fanatical Christians cause us more harm trying (and succeeding) to enforce their religious views on us FAR MORE than fanatical moslems do.  You just dont see it.   Watched the anti-abortionists lately?   Seen how cake-makers are free to not serve the public with their publically-advertised cakes?  Noticed how public businesses can refuse to provide even birth-control?  All religious crap and totally christian.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Mr.Obvious (OP)

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 12:33:19 PM »
Congrats, you have a great society.  Wish I could live there.  But my language skills are limited.

If you can speak english, you should be fine. At least in Flanders. I think about 75% of The people can speak at least adequate english.
Dutch is hard to learn though.
E = Mc²

In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Offline Cavebear

Re: We're number one!
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 12:39:15 PM »
If you can speak english, you should be fine. At least in Flanders. I think about 75% of The people can speak at least adequate english.
Dutch is hard to learn though.

Yeah but how far can "I am stupid American" :et you?  My parents visited there once, and got a cold stare until a friend told them which side of the paper currency to show...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950