How the Irish Prove Racism Against Muslims Exist

[Cavebear]

Shiranu, you have created your own reality which has little to do with the real world.

On the contrary.  There is no level the Alt-Right will not sink to. 

[pr126]

On the contrary.  There is no level the Alt-Right will not sink to. 

Voting Trump even. How gross.

[Baruch]

On the contrary.  There is no level the Alt-Right will not sink to.

Per the D party, they are double-plus-un-good.

[Baruch]

It may not incite violence, but 17 times daily it re-enforces the Muslim belief that Christians and Jews are lesser people than Muslims.

But that is not bigotry because it is uttered by Muslims.
Quran 8:55
Yusuf Ali: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

And here is Quran 3:110

You are now the best people brought forth for (the guidance and reform of) mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah.

This is not supremacist, because it is uttered by Muslims

How can Muslims be bigoted? That is absurd.

Yes ... politically, Muslims aren't liberal democrats.  Democrats (the party) today aren't liberal or democratic either.  They are the California equivalent of the N Korea.  If N Korea nuked California, I am sure that the Great Student Democratic Party of California would be out there fighting for Comrade Kim.

On the other hand, that statement is simply tribalism.  You are being inconsistent, if you really oppose that statement in isolation ... then you are part of the New World Order.  And it wasn't from the Al Fatihah ... but from the rest of the Quran.

[Gilgamesh]

Good to see you didn't read a single word. Here, let me sound bite it for you...

Race - does not exist.
Historically - Racism against Irish (white on white racism?) was based on religious lines. So either the Irish never faced racism, or you can be racist against Muslims.

What I said would imply that I believe the Irish never faced racism on the basis of being Irish, yes.

[Shiranu]

What I said would imply that I believe the Irish never faced racism on the basis of being Irish, yes.

Then if what we called Irish wasn't racism, it was xenophobic bigotry, the same thing Muslims face.

In common speak, that is called racism. Is it accurate? Not really. Is it the word we use as a society? Yeah.

The ultimate point is that Muslims face the same fear mongering and bigotry that previous minorities did, and you either have to admit that racism has no real meaning or that it is a very nebulous word and that Muslims can be a race.

So far, the only response from the people it pertains to is finding any and every excuse they can find that doesn't actually address the topic, which is simply par for the course at this point. The irony was that only one of them was being called racist, it wasn't even aimed at others who still took enough offense to it to start making excuses...

[Ibn Khaldun]

Shiarnu, the reason why Muslims do not practice Islam is because they can’t .if they try to practice Islam the west will kick their ass .times have changed . non Muslims countries are stronger . Conquest is not possible. Add to that great pressure is exercised by the west to force Muslims countries not to practice Islam . more and more of Islamic sharia  are being suspended by Muslim majority countries .they’re working on school curriculum and media and shit . you know like they are trying to alter  that historical narrative that was instilled in your mind . .

Hush with the quran and Islam. You don’t know jackshit about that . just quack quack quack. There is nothing called orthodox Islam. Stop making up crap.

Listen ,  I understand your way of thinking. Its program except I program myself as I deem fit . .  I’m on opposite sides to you .  I’ve lots  of KKK friends . white supremacists are great guys  . peaceful lot . The few ones who kill black folks are the exception . and they did  it because black folks did something bad to them in the past .one of them said to me he killed black guy because black folks killed his great great grandfather from ten thousand years ago  .its just like you said its historical grievance . its politics.The KKK are the victims here . my poor KKK

Hey when I was in America I hanged  out with white supremacists  bikers. What happened the judge ordered me to do community hours and take shit they call anger management classes .i did it at this jewish senior citizens home . I got to know this extremely foul mouthed ex lawyer  Jewish elderly lady that everyone hated.  I was awed by the torrents of cusses she hurled at people. I used to ask her to repeat them to me so I can write them down and memorize them. Can you cuss me out some please , I would ask her . She laughed .We ended up being great friends. She had  pills the doc used to give her and she didn’t like to use them. So I took them and sold them to a white biker and split the money with her . . this is how I got to know the white bikers. They got to like me  and see me as one of them even though I really didn’t look like them . they used to let me speak . what I did I took all the hate shit in islam and switched it to black.  instead of Christian or Jew or non Muslims I switched those terms  to black people .they loved that shit .

Other times I related to them Islamic history as given by Islamic books . you know all that shit Muslims did to white people in Spain and how the Caliph ordered 3000 white virgins and how they killed white knights and piled their heads high enough to make a mountain . you know shit like that . they loved that shit .one of  them thanked me profusely  for educating  the young white kids . I played a very positive role . he was smart guy . he knew what I was doing. I was reforming the KKK.

Hey did you know north Africa was actually European? It was . to this day there’re  indigenous white tribes in Africa. Black  folks did not manage to exterminate all the white people in Africa. See I’m of the opinion white folks should come and take their lands back from black people. occupied white folks  not condone that shit . give white folks their lands back. its betetr anyways. they come build shit and make place nice.

In Arabia we took all the “black” people and put them on the coast far away from us .we tried to be nice to them but every time we did they attacked us and talked shit about the past , that  we did this and that to them and that we call them Abeed ( slaves) and shit . So we send them to live on the coast and we told them we see anyone of you come close to us we cut off his head. We told them if they want to play that whining shit and victim mentality shit in order to get over its not happening .

I don't care about white supremacy, I care about people. How do people behave? The simple truth is like any other ideological follower, the overwhelming majority of white racists  cherry-pick their religion to suit their agendas, very few practice orthodox racism  (to explain, Orthodox racism  is following  white supremacy  completely and literally.). I know KKK who drink, I know KKK who have had premarital sex, I know KKK who curse, who enjoy music, who don't kill non whites . Frankly, I don't have any right to tell them they aren't "True supremacists “  because frankly they haven't done shit to me and I am quite happy with them not following the violent parts of their ideology..   

My advice to white people, keep your racists . you’re going to need them. Fund the KKK and the white supremacists. In any given society you need to balance shit . they have their extremists you have to have yours to balance shit out  .
you must also reform the KKK . they are little bit behind the times. Most of my work with the KKK was aimed at reforming them so as to make them fit the times .

its not really about color anyways because if it was the KKK wouldn’t have liked me . I asked them about that and they said to me “you’re not one of them” .  they speak about the hate black people in America harbor for white people. Its true . black people generally speaking hate white people in America. How do I know ? because I  moved freely in both groups and I talked to them. I can pass for either group. I could travel in white no go zones in America by which I mean the ghetto . And light skin black women liked me . one said to me she wanted a white guy who was not white at the same time.  white guy who is not white .  you see what I’m saying ? 

its high time for Nazis to reform. Jew jew jew. That shit is pointless. Nazis have to update themselves . that shit in order to be effected you gonna have to divest their minds from their socialistic bent. See those KKK, white supremacists and Nazis are actually socialistic  movements . basically poor havenot whites trying to get piece of the pie . .what happened because of the constant onslaught some turned leftist. This trend has to be stopped . but basically when you are looking at a leftist you’re basically looking at a Nazi who changed sides . instead of homing in one non whites he is homing in on whites but the socialism remains. And often times  it works like in a hostage situation. The hostages start to sympathize with their captors.
Do like shiranu . follow his/her  formula . the shit he is actually saying is a  program instilled in his/her head.  Just switch it around. Its fun. Its like a game . play the game. I like games. Don’t you? Okay then. And its got all the shit. love ,sex and violence. Learn to live to the brim . exciting life . choose it. At least think about it . life would be so boring otherwise.

Psssst shiranu, I can move all over . white black Muslim  non Muslim, the whole gambit. you can't tell. You can’t hide from me . I  love black women too. soul food and shit . love that shit .  fried chicken , barbecue ribs , grits, corn bread pudding . yummies. Don’t be hiding them black women from me boy. I want them . they are mine .they belong with me. tell them I'm coming for them . I don't to see one black guy around. you hear me ?  you better  .

When I have time I will do a piece on Kafir . frankly tedious shit . Islam the culture of hate and death. 

[Baruch]

Ibn - It is all psychology ... nobody hates smokers like an ex-smoker ;-)  Maybe you really are ex-Muslim.  You have gone from retard to full-retard, after having been a dual-culture person, otherwise you would be living in the City of the Dead in Cairo, with no opportunity for change.  Change is good.  But you should "get" Shiranu ... Shiranu is a self-hating Westerner.  You were a self-hating MEasterner.  He needs to get the hell out of the US.  You have gotten the hell out of Egypt.  You are the same sort of guy, but perhaps Shiranu is younger.  People who are self-hating, hate their home country too, because it is the external part of their identity.  If you were focused on your internal being, you could off yourselves (please don't).  Focused on your external being ... you want to kill your family, kill your country, kill humanity. 

Autism is a spectrum disorder ... Caligula wanted all of humanity to have one neck, the easier to exterminate them.  Everyone I think has these feelings, but for some people their condition is much more serious.  It was because of feelings like this, my ancestors left Europe for the N America ... to get the hell out of a hated Europe.  If Europe was good to them (in their own POV) then they would have stayed, partied on.  The fact is, people are annoying to themselves and to each other, but we respond to this annoyance differently.  In the big picture however, if you aren't happy with yourself, you will not be happy with anyone else.  And killing part of the external "you" is dealing with a symptom, not a cause ... so it won't work in the long run.  You have to deal with the cause ... there ... inside of you.  Murder is just suicide externalized ... that is what killing and war are all about.  People with self-love, and good personal boundaries, at least make happy introverts.  Self-hate and poor personal boundaries, and you are some flavor of jihadi.

Shiranu - you are like someone allergic to peanuts working in a peanut factory ;-(  Hence your need for a total change of scenery, or a monastery, so you can deal with your internal stuff.

[Blackleaf]

I still think it is more accurate to call them Arabs than Muslims. I don't think Americans have the same fear of Muslims who aren't brown. It's the ones who look like they came from the Middle East who make people nervous. Being Muslim isn't like being Jewish, where you can be Jewish whether or not you believe in gods.

[Baruch]

I still think it is more accurate to call them Arabs than Muslims. I don't think Americans have the same fear of Muslims who aren't brown. It's the ones who look like they came from the Middle East who make people nervous. Being Muslim isn't like being Jewish, where you can be Jewish whether or not you believe in gods.

True, but sad.  I started Egyptian Arabic on Friday ... the lady teacher is from Egypt.  Her half-Arab, half-African appearance is really beautiful.  She is too young and recently married, otherwise, if I were Ibn, I would have desirous thoughts.  I remember back then, when I was 16, and the new English teacher was maybe 22 ... she was an object of desire by all the boys ;-)  And many more African people, are really handsome or beautiful.  Young people usually are ... us old farts not so much ;-(

Yes, Jews are of mixed race ... and most are cultural, not religious.  Increasingly Christians are like that ... they have always been mixed race (even when they were all Jewish).  But how steady is "cultural" Judaism or Christianity?  Can one remain a "cultural" Muslim for long in the lands of kafirs?  Hindus feel that way ... they think they are permanently loosing their best and brightest to California.  You can't be a proper Hindu, outside of India.

[Hydra009]

I still think it is more accurate to call them Arabs than Muslims. I don't think Americans have the same fear of Muslims who aren't brown. It's the ones who look like they came from the Middle East who make people nervous.

Yeah, and that's so weird because arab and muslim are not interchangeable.  In fact, American arabs are more likely to be Christian than Muslim.

I guess it makes a strange sort of sense to be leery of arabs given 9/11 and subsequent war with predominantly arab Iraq and tensions with many surrounding countries.  But we went down that road in WWII and you'd think we would've learned our lesson - people who look like the enemy aren't necessarily the enemy.  In fact, they're a potential asset (translators, informants, etc)

Also, Americans (this might apply to other countries as well) are largely unaware of successful, famous people in their midst who do have an arab background.  Steve Jobs, Helen Thomas, Frank Zappa, Jamie Farr, etc.  The USA wouldn't be the same without them.

[Baruch]

Yeah, and that's so weird because arab and muslim are not interchangeable.  In fact, American arabs are more likely to be Christian than Muslim.

I guess it makes a strange sort of sense to be leery of arabs given 9/11 and subsequent war with predominantly arab Iraq and tensions with many surrounding countries.  But we went down that road in WWII and you'd think we would've learned our lesson - people who look like the enemy aren't necessarily the enemy.  In fact, they're a potential asset (translators, informants, etc)

Also, Americans (this might apply to other countries as well) are largely unaware of successful, famous people in their midst who do have an arab background.  Steve Jobs, Helen Thomas, Frank Zappa, Jamie Farr, etc.  The USA wouldn't be the same without them.

Gen Omar Bradley.  And beware of German-Americans in WW II, like Eisenhower ;-p

[Ibn Khaldun]

@ munch . didn’t notice your response .

What you guys are doing is great but you need to carry it further , that is form an npo and get engaged  in  litigation . that’s the  place the battle is being conducted

This thread here  is going to boil down , for one thing that is , to US supreme court findings bearing on petitions brought by the Southern poverty Law center against the KKK .I say If it is legal  to call non Muslims Kuffar ( plural of kafir ) which is racist and discriminative  technical term inciting hate precipitating in action that does harm to non Muslims then the Supreme court had better rescind those findings because they single out the KKK adding that  the KKK is actually a minority .

If it is okay to say Kafir then by the same token the KKK should be accorded the right to call black people niggers publicly , school and all and invest it  in speech such as to target black people and if such speech results in physical harm done to  them  then  black people should have no recourse to the law to block such speech  or seek civil compensation just as non Muslims do not have recourse to the law to block Islamic hate speech delivered constantly at the mosques. . . .

If  the supreme court refuses to see reason the KKK can and will employ people  to alter their speech in such a way as to circumvent the supreme court findings and empower them with speech with a much devastating and dangerous twist than Islam. Believe me when I tell you it can be done .Just make a KKK quran . make them a haddith too . no ra

I’m not KKK and I do not subscribe to their views . I’m not a racist .   . Cair and other Islamic org funded by oil gulf states plus the left  wanna play games and advantage themselves , doesn’t matter if non Muslims get butchered in those terrorist attacks by Muslims.  .  trust me when I say   its not that difficult to alter KKK and white supremacists speech and return the favor sort of shit . Lets then see  about that oh oh Muslims are okay, they don’t do shit to me. That oh oh can used to manufacturer another oh oh so that non Muslims can sit back and say oh oh , the KKK are okay, they don’t do shit to me .

You have no idea the sort of  prophets  that KKK has .  I talked to them . I observed them . I’m amazed. Raw material like I have never seen .one  can work with that shit . all they need is a Semite prophet , a role model. They need the chosen people to lead them. . 

One time I  got news about very respectable high esteemed white supremacist  . They put him  in military jail. Hey the system can be so unjust you know . He  smashed a guy head on the wall and pulled out his eyes and ate them. It was pre arranged . the guards made an excuse to put them in the same cell. They were unhappy with the guy who got his eyes eaten, so they put them together on the pretext of cleaning the other cell. Ate the guy eye ,  no salt and pepper to go with it . how about that ? carnivore.

Or they agree we do something about the quran hate speech and reform that shit like for example discard the medina part to start with . ban shit like Kafir . its hate speech .

. I don’t hate any people, or country .  I don’t have it in me . I find that I’m focused on women  and they are everywhere  . I think about that most of the time. Specially  those times on the battle field . what  can one think about except that . it doesn’t smell good out there . rotten corpses and smell of blood and rusty and molten metal .when metal heats up it produces a smell. Burning Oil and diesel and  nature , Insects and bugs  .and the humidity makes the clothe stick on you and the sweat  and you sleep on shit .  you have no idea how bad corpses stink . women smell nice , soft to the touch and shit . just don’t poke them with your finger if they don’t know you. It startles them  . you have to know them and make them like you first. I usually can provided I don’t talk too much .but now I have a wife. She can have the house because the house is made of rooms and rooms are holes . the house is the hole. Belongs with the woman . The church has tower . that she can’t have  . because the tower is the penis . it jots out into the sky to say high to god . . she can have the house but not the church.

Syrians and Lebanese are Caucasians for the most parts. Not Arabs

Semites  of north and South Arabia .  Four  migration waves /invasion waves. The first wave conquered the  Sumerians /Babylon.  The Aramaic ( barouch guys) wave was the most violent , scourge of the land . Last wave from south Arabia ,Islam. That wave was wiped and exterminated by the Abbasids leaving small batches in the desert and those in spain. Minor waves earlier to north Ethiopia  and red sea eastern Africa areas and central African region .

Saudia Arabia rallied the Arabaized Africans , the janjaweed (machine gun on a horse) mass murderers of indigenous  Africans in the fight with Yemenis. Those make Isis look like child play. the Janjaweed are very special lot . Very ancient stuff really.semetic to boot.  They wanted the fertile plains of indigenous Africans . when they come upon an African village , they level the aircraft gun to point at the grass hut and fire away . baaaaaam . shit explodes in ball of fire . they got them on tape making a big fire and throwing African babies and kids into it .America has some of them on wanted list for war crimes.

I was in action   against them before that  as part of a joint venture Israeli  and American evangelists ,we faced them off with from further south indigenous animist pseudo Christian African pastoral herds men , just as violent and hardier . The African herds men routed the janjaweed . they slaughtered them .  then Iran sent 8 thousand revolutionary guards  and jihadist from middle east joined them .Saudia took care of the funding and shit .  no issue.  Their bones litter the low savanna plains . America stepped in and stopped the shit . so the janjaweed turned around and attacked Africans in the west , mostly farm based people. Not good fighting material. they butchered them  But further south west you got hardy African herds men. Islamist  from chad tried to take over but the African herds men fought back and exacted heavy toll and islamist backed off from the onslaught  while whinning that Africans committed atrocities against them .cry babies .

[Baruch]

Recent history is so bloodthirsty, I laugh when people claim "progress".

[Blackleaf]

Recent history is so bloodthirsty, I laugh when people claim "progress".

Perhaps you'd rather live in a time where offending someone meant having a duel to the death, when simply belonging to the wrong group meant death by hanging. Or perhaps instead of people watching make believe violence on TV, you'd prefer to live in a time when people watched others fight to the death for entertainment. Maybe you'd like to go back further, when other tribes could come and kill, rape, and plunder yours just because their tribe was bigger and stronger.