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[Baruch]

"...There is no other place where you will have a better life, and have more opportunity and security than here in the US of A."

That is objectively just not true...

Which statement?

1. All humans want to be American?  No, not true.

2. All Americans want to stay that way?  No, not true.

And yes, it is frustrating for a non-American to not to be able to get to America, or once here, to stay here.

And yes, it is frustrating for an American to not be able to get out of America, or once out, to stay there.

There are many people who are examples of all possibilities ... this is why stereotyping or generalizing is fraught with error.

We live in a crazy world (not a rational one like rationalist think, from their position of head up ass).  Whatever ultimate physics may be, humans are ruled by psychology and the dynamics of group interaction (mob rule).

[Baruch]

Maybe you should tell them that then. Stand at harbours yelling "no, don't come here, our country is terrible"

Yeah, Shiranu is a closet conservative ... pro Wall ;-)  Or is it more like, don't come to the US, don't make the US stronger thru multiculturalism ... like it has in Europe ;-))  Europe thinks it can do in the 21st century, what the US did with immigrants in the 19th century ... apples vs oranges.  Previously they thought that they could do in the 20th century, what the US did with conquest in the 19th century.  Chancellor Bismarck said, the single most important result of the 19th century was that N America spoke English.  And he was very right.

[Shiranu]

In the end, nobody moved.

Actually, the number of American expats has increased. That is trend that has been going on for years now, so that's not inherently a statement about them leaving because of Trump, but it is ultimately a statement that shows you are incorrect.

Not one wanted to move to Mexico. I wonder why?

Over two million Americans live in Mexico, and it's estimated that there are many more since 91.2% of Americans in Mexico live there illegally. Mexico is definitely one of the top destinations I would want to live, thanks to it's cheaper standard of living and beautiful history, culture and natural environment.

That said, people generally want to move somewhere nicer; that's why people historically have moved, well, anywhere. Which ironically what you said just proves my point... America is not number one, hence the reason we have expats to nicer countries... either countries which provide higher quality social services, or countries that are more affordable and/or environmentally more desirable (Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, etc. ). 

TDS is still strong as ever.

I'm not sure what a telecom company based out of Wisconsin has to do with anything, but... rock on, TDS. Unless you one of them telecom companies that are complete ass, in which case rock off TDS.

By the way, why don't you ask Puerto Ricans about how great America is? They are part of the country, after all. I am sure they are just enamored with Trumps presidency, (spech slowly starts to slow down) given how much concern he has shown since they got nearly wiped off the face of the pla...

Oh..... right....

[Baruch]

When Trump was elected, quite a few people said they will move to Canada.
Not one wanted to move to Mexico. I wonder why?

In the end, nobody moved.
TDS is still strong as ever.

There were people who moved, to Canada, under George W .. maybe a few under Trump.  They were wanted for drug or sex crimes.  Canada embraces those.  Mexico punishes those.

Most expats are rich people trying to hide their ill got gains.  I read about it every week.  Not that I mind ... good riddance.  Poor people can't fly their Lear jet to the Bahamas.

Americans living in Mexico are there for retirement, not because of job opportunities.  That and easy drugs (legal and not).

[Baruch]

When Trump was elected, quite a few people said they will move to Canada.
Not one wanted to move to Mexico. I wonder why?

In the end, nobody moved.
TDS is still strong as ever.

Harvey Weinstein et al wished they had moved to Pleasure Island, with the Clintons, when the getting was good.

[pr126]

TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I was not referring to a telephone company.

Btw, Shir, are you on a night shift, or is it severe insomnia?

[Shiranu]

TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I was not referring to a telephone company.

Btw, Shir, are you on a night shift, or is it severe insomnia?

Insomnia.

[Baruch]

Insomnia.

To quote Trump ... Sad ;-(

[Baruch]

TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I was not referring to a telephone company.

Btw, Shir, are you on a night shift, or is it severe insomnia?

To quote Cheney ... So? ;-)

[Munch]

Does seem like trump derangement syndrome is a condition now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oRds1S9_4M&t=316s

Either that or there's just that many crazy fuckers in america. In which case maybe Shir has a point, if there are that many lunatics that scream at the sky over a political candidate getting elected, maybe immigrants should go elsewhere.

[JCM800]

"...There is no other place where you will have a better life, and have more opportunity and security than here in the US of A."

That is objectively just not true...

And I wonder how you manage to get out of bed in the morning, tie your shoes, and do basic arithmetic of you think that.'

[Shiranu]

And I wonder how you manage to get out of bed in the morning, tie your shoes, and do basic arithmetic of you think that.'

Look up the statistics on the countries that have the highest standard of living, quality of healthcare, lowest poverty rates, and happiness.

Spoiler alert: they aren't America.

Thanks for showing your hand early at least, I would have regretted taking you seriously if you had waited a week or two to show your true colours.

[Munch]

Really love taking people are face value don't you dear?

I found JCM800 first post on this thread to be an example of someone taking the time to distinguish the difference between culture and belief as show of better moral understanding of people then what many would attempt, when someone can't remove the theocracy from a culture and expects that to be an accepted principle of a persons character, then how can someone call themselves an atheist.

Your right, I am glad he showed his hand early, cause he seems someone with a bit more awareness of the problem of culture and theocracy then what many 'progressives' will allow without mental gymnastics.

And yes, there is a sad state in atheism where they are unable to 'cross that line', but only with certain cultures, not with white cultures funny enough. Can take the piss out of Christianity all we want, thats fine, but take the piss out of islam, ooooh, thats thin ice there.

[JCM800]

Look up the statistics on the countries that have the highest standard of living, quality of healthcare, lowest poverty rates, and happiness.

Spoiler alert: they aren't America.

Thanks for showing your hand early at least, I would have regretted taking you seriously if you had waited a week or two to show your true colours.

Lol... I really don't give a flying rat's arse what you think of me or my "true colors". My true colors are red, white, and blue. I'm glad to see that your true colors are just to be another one of the uncountable and immeasurably stupid people on the left who dog America and the American people whilst supporting inferior cultures with inferior ideas and practices. Go live in them and stay out if that's how you feel. We don't needja!!

And btw...

Free access to healthcare doesn't make it a better healthcare system (in fact it makes it worse in many ways). The access to healthcare in those countries may be easier because they unfairly distribute wealth and resources over there, but the "quality" of their healthcare certainly is not higher than here in America.

Poverty rates in America stay the way they are largely because of socialist policies. Social safety nets only serve to keep the impoverished, as well as people in minority communities, financially afloat, but do nothing to increase their self-worth or wealth. It only enables them to stay in their situations. To speak much more eloquently than I can on this topic, here's the impeccable Carol Swain. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OUl3ibKO38k

And "quality of life" and "happiness" are subjective and can vary. Which is why the rankings/statistics are horseshit. And btw, having less poverty and more happiness does not make a country "better". What makes a country better are the opportunities, liberties, rights, and freedoms it gives you. America gave birth to the secular, western, democracy in its modern form. In a country as diverse and free as America is, you would expect to see higher rates of unhappiness, poverty, etc. It just comes with the gig. Those things do not determine whether a country is better or worse. The reason why America is the best is because the freedom and opportunity is literally unparalleled. Sure, other countries come close and do a good job, but none have got it figured out like the good old US of A.

[Baruch]

Hating your own country isn't new ...

"Sweden’s prime minister in 2006 captured the opinion of many European elites when he said, “Only barbarism is genuinely Swedish. All further development has been brought from outside.”"

So kill all the adults to benefit the children, kill all the men to benefit the women ... because the only reason children have problems is because of adults, and the only reason why women have problems is because of men ...

And then on we go to all the cultural differences, including religion vs non-religion etc.

!. Project your own demonic self onto others, and blame them for your own failings ... that would be pretty demonic
2. Having demonized, then fear and hate The Other ... enough so you can justify killing them in self defense.

This isn't to say that the others are innocent, they aren't ... they are demonic projecting psychos, just like you.