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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1905 on: June 11, 2019, 06:51:48 AM »
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I understand.  But keep in mind that Washington and Lincoln were reviled in their day and few expected Lincoln to win a 2nd term.  We see too well in hindsight.  Both Roosevelts, Kennedy and Obama were considered lightweights at the start yet they are valued more as time passes. 

But pretty much anyone who follows Trump will have an easier time.  All that person has to do is reconstruct the damage Trump has caused domestically and internationally and the world will "forgive" and move forward.  Most nations understand a "national hiccup". 

That doesn't mean it always happens that presidents rise to their jobs.  Donald Trump will probably be at the bottom of the presidential list for a century.  Polk, Franklin and Pierce will finally be relieved of that sad status.

Hmmm, yeah right but  the Dems have Joe Biden. Perhaps he's the best they've got to beat Trump, but a lot of people will be pinching their nose at the ballot box. Also, I'm not sure if the damage is reparable, especially on the international front - the thinking being if the USA can vote for an obnoxious Donald Trump, it can also vote for someone worse in the future. Once you lose trust, it's hard to get it back.

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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1906 on: June 11, 2019, 07:03:48 AM »
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They were divided.  And didn't have the means.  And succumbed to fierce diseases.  Not saying Natives are better or worse people.  They were killing each other quite well before Europeans showed up.  I don't think an Aztec Wakanda was inevitable.

Oh, they had the means.  They just didn't understand what to make of the strangers landing on their shores.  They didn't understand about "Europe" and the number of people and the tech.  And neither side quite understood the diseases.  The Native Americans COULD have wiped out any European colony at the start.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1907 on: June 12, 2019, 06:28:10 PM »
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1908 on: June 12, 2019, 07:29:44 PM »
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Hmmm, yeah right but  the Dems have Joe Biden. Perhaps he's the best they've got to beat Trump, but a lot of people will be pinching their nose at the ballot box. Also, I'm not sure if the damage is reparable, especially on the international front - the thinking being if the USA can vote for an obnoxious Donald Trump, it can also vote for someone worse in the future. Once you lose trust, it's hard to get it back.
I'm inclined to agree.  There's no reason for the international community to think we've gotten better until the GOP admits to their errors and American elections aren't viewed with dread.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1909 on: June 12, 2019, 07:40:32 PM »
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1910 on: June 12, 2019, 07:44:00 PM »
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I really, really hate to defend him, but...

Obama had to reopen it too as a camp for migrants, so this isn't just a Trump is a shitty human being thing.

Still a shitty look when we have to use a camp that previously was an internment camp + German P.o.W. camp though, and in very large part because of his policy.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1911 on: June 12, 2019, 09:26:06 PM »
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I really, really hate to defend him, but...

Obama had to reopen it too as a camp for migrants, so this isn't just a Trump is a shitty human being thing.
I figured that would come up.  And of course, and it was a shitty thing when Obama did it and it's still a shitty thing when Trump does it.  In fact, it's probably worse since we increasingly have the benefit of hindsight to know just how wrong that was.

As far as defenses go, "someone else did it, too" is a pretty weak defense.  I definitely don't see that holding up in court.  Besides, the big takeaway from WWII (and the USA's perennial immigrant otherism) is to not do it again.

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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1912 on: June 12, 2019, 10:41:23 PM »
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I'm inclined to agree.  There's no reason for the international community to think we've gotten better until the GOP admits to their errors and American elections aren't viewed with dread.

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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1913 on: June 12, 2019, 10:42:20 PM »
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Not a moment too soon.  Please join in the human trafficking, your pedopilia pusher demands it.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1914 on: June 12, 2019, 10:44:15 PM »
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I figured that would come up.  And of course, and it was a shitty thing when Obama did it and it's still a shitty thing when Trump does it.  In fact, it's probably worse since we increasingly have the benefit of hindsight to know just how wrong that was.

As far as defenses go, "someone else did it, too" is a pretty weak defense.  I definitely don't see that holding up in court.  Besides, the big takeaway from WWII (and the USA's perennial immigrant otherism) is to not do it again.

Heresy!  God-Emperor Obama is never to be doubted.  Just like God-Emperor Trump ;-)

Y'all not only would support Ho Chi Minh in 1965, you would have supported Tojo on 1941.  Anything as long as it is anti-American.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1915 on: June 13, 2019, 12:28:12 AM »
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1916 on: June 13, 2019, 02:25:01 AM »
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I agree that foreign interference shouldn't be allowed.  But first we have to de-citizen the Democrats.  They are enemy aliens.  Once that is recognized, they can be deported to Venezuela or Zimbabwe (heavy sarc).

Do any of you Dems recognize that you are running dogs of Emperor Xi of China?  And probably going back to President Carter, not even Al Gore?

It used to be, having foreign allies was cool.  GB or even France.  But since GB was involved in a coup against the current US President, they aren't so cool.  And with France, they have been moldy cheese for a long time now ;-)
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1917 on: June 13, 2019, 01:31:55 PM »
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Republicans care about winning elections, they don't care how they do it.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1918 on: June 13, 2019, 03:24:34 PM »
I'm hearing now that Trump did an interview in which he says there's nothing at all wrong with getting help or info from foreign sources. Nixon said that when a president does it, that means it is not illegal. I suspect Trump believes that.
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Re: Impeach Trump????
« Reply #1919 on: June 13, 2019, 03:29:37 PM »
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