Impeach Trump????

Cavebear · February 07, 2018, 07:06:01 AM

Quote from: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 07:01:39 AM
Quote slave owners and slave rapists much?

And no, if you want a French Revolution, go to France to do it. They need to be executed.

Every generation and century has things to be ashamed of. The important thing is that we do our best to imagine a better world and struggle on, stammerring and shambling, towards it.

I dread to think what our descendants in 2118 will think of the horrible people WE were...

We could make a long list of things to be ashamed of...

Baruch · February 07, 2018, 07:09:56 AM

You are simply excusing your poor choice of quotation. If Jefferson believed anything he said, he would have manumitted his own slaves at death, or better yet while still alive.

Cavebear · February 07, 2018, 07:30:35 AM

Quote from: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 07:09:56 AM
You are simply excusing your poor choice of quotation. If Jefferson believed anything he said, he would have manumitted his own slaves at death, or better yet while still alive.

I won't be draw into a complete defense of Jefferson. He was wrong about some things, right about others.

WE can do better.

fencerider · February 08, 2018, 01:30:01 AM

Quote from: Cavebear on February 07, 2018, 07:06:01 AM
Every generation and century has things to be ashamed of.

I dread to think what our descendants in 2118 will think of the horrible people WE were...

For this generation we should be ashamed of Dodart Jigalo Trump. What they say about us in 2118 will probably be influenced by our decision to keep him or get rid of him.

I think it would be a good idea for Mueller to prosecute Trump before Trump fires him. The Constitution requires that the president be impeached for criminal activity. There is no grounds to say he can not be prosecuted. Sitting members of Congress can be prosecuted when a real crime is committed. They can not be prosecuted on frivolous charges. Only in a republican wet-dream would Mueller be charging Trump on frivolous charges. BTW the Constitution says that the president can not pardon anyone for an impeachable offense. i.e. Trump can not pardon himself to get out of imprachment

Draconic Aiur · February 08, 2018, 04:24:07 AM

Quote from: Cavebear on February 07, 2018, 07:06:01 AM
Every generation and century has things to be ashamed of. The important thing is that we do our best to imagine a better world and struggle on, stammerring and shambling, towards it.

I dread to think what our descendants in 2118 will think of the horrible people WE were...

We could make a long list of things to be ashamed of...

In the future peopl will look in the past and say "Can you believe those barbarians had ate animals and were mostly hetrosexual?"

Unbeliever · February 08, 2018, 01:44:06 PM

Apparently Chump's never even been a billionaire - just a wanna-be! Nothing but a con man, that's our president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELs9HF5xIPo

Mike Cl · February 08, 2018, 01:57:45 PM

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2018, 01:44:06 PM
Apparently Chump's never even been a billionaire - just a wanna-be! Nothing but a con man, that's our president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELs9HF5xIPo

Why do you think he never revealed his tax returns??

Hakurei Reimu · February 08, 2018, 02:20:54 PM

Huh. Out of $200 million that he took in from his father altogether, and according to this, has maybe only $400 million. That's 50 years for a doubling time. That comes out to an interest rate of a measly 1.44%.

Yeah. Genius businessman. He could have literally put his $200 mil into a savings account and be richer than he is right now.

Baruch · February 08, 2018, 07:15:30 PM

Too bad the snowflakes are melting again, like a year ago. Is this an annual thing now?

Sorry, if they knew then, what is known now ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOijFfqXWo

Bill Clinton would not only be the second President to be impeached (indicted) but also the first to be convicted.

Cavebear · February 09, 2018, 02:20:44 AM

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 08, 2018, 04:24:07 AM
In the future peopl will look in the past and say "Can you believe those barbarians had ate animals and were mostly hetrosexual?"

If the future world is homosexual, there won't be many people, LOL!

Cavebear · February 09, 2018, 02:29:38 AM

Quote from: fencerider on February 08, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
For this generation we should be ashamed of Dodart Jigalo Trump. What they say about us in 2118 will probably be influenced by our decision to keep him or get rid of him.

I think it would be a good idea for Mueller to prosecute Trump before Trump fires him. The Constitution requires that the president be impeached for criminal activity. There is no grounds to say he can not be prosecuted. Sitting members of Congress can be prosecuted when a real crime is committed. They can not be prosecuted on frivolous charges. Only in a republican wet-dream would Mueller be charging Trump on frivolous charges. BTW the Constitution says that the president can not pardon anyone for an impeachable offense. i.e. Trump can not pardon himself to get out of imprachment

A Republican Congress will never impeach Trump.

Impeachment is not for regular crimes. It is poorly understood. The President can be "impeached" for anything. It is a political decision by Congress to remove a President (and some other elected officials) from office.

If impeached, a trial is conducted in the Senate. IF convicted, the President is thereby removed from office.

THEN, the former President may or may not be charged with crimes in regular court.

Baruch · February 09, 2018, 06:58:44 AM

Thanks. You did learn something in poli-sci.

trdsf · February 09, 2018, 10:13:47 AM

Quote from: Cavebear on February 09, 2018, 02:29:38 AM
A Republican Congress will never impeach Trump.

Impeachment is not for regular crimes. It is poorly understood. The President can be "impeached" for anything. It is a political decision by Congress to remove a President (and some other elected officials) from office.

If impeached, a trial is conducted in the Senate. IF convicted, the President is thereby removed from office.

THEN, the former President may or may not be charged with crimes in regular court.

To the best of my knowledge, it's not entirely settled as to whether a president is immune from regular prosecution while in office. The grand jury that handed down the Watergate indictments wanted to indict Nixon, but Jaworsky talked them down to only naming him an unindicted co-conspirator because he didn't want to open that can of Constitutional wormsâ€"it would have been a major distraction to the investigation.

I thinkâ€"obligatory I Am Not A Lawyer here, but I am a PoliSci grad with a particular interest in Constitutional balancesâ€"that it's still an undecided matter if the President can be held responsible outside the impeachment process for a criminal matter, while still in office. For political matters, only the impeachment process applies.

So, for example, if the Orange Disaster Area really did go out and shoot someone in Times Square, he couldn't hide behind executive privilege unless it could be demonstrated that it was in the course of executing (no pun intended) his duties and responsibilities under the Constitution, and even then he'd have a hell of a time of it.

Baruch · February 09, 2018, 12:54:26 PM

The law is always murky, either because human behavior is murky, or the legal profession is murky. Nothing is ever settled, because there is always another jurisdiction or another judge.

trdsf · February 09, 2018, 01:48:47 PM

One other thing occurs to me, and I not only don't have a good answer either way on it, I don't even know which way I lean.

If a President is impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate over a criminal matter, would further legal proceedings in the criminal court system constitute double jeopardy under the Fifth Amendment?

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Impeach Trump????