Author Topic: Def/ Christianity #2 , destruction of false Buddhist claims about Christianity  (Read 948 times)

Offline Baruch

Ibn - So you get two likes, because you talk straight about recent events of the last two generations.

That and the Soviets tried to put nukes, to do a Cuba in Egypt in 1973.  Violation of Bosporus treaty.  Nixon caught them in the act, reminded them of Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Soviets abandoned escalation in Egypt, but then Nixon/Kissinger had the US play a more positive role (they and Israel were caught flat footed), and a truce that was fair to Egypt was had.  Syria is harder, because they are closer.  Golan Heights occupation by Syria ain't gonna happen, unless Damascus is a radioactive crater.

To be fair to the Soviets, they were just being pragmatic in backing down, Egypt isn't the same as Cuba, since Cuba is an island, and all Soviet supplies had to pass thru the Bosporus ... making Egypt become a US satellite, the Soviets being there from the revolution against King Farouk.  The Soviets also initially backed Israel earlier in 1948 ... but recognizing Israel was a Truman coup, to make Israel (originally socialist) into a US satellite (eventually Israel became capitalist).

Back then Old Man Joe Stalin was all over the map, but crazy.  Beria let Stalin die, kept the doctors away, when Stalin's health failed.  It wasn't his Jewish doctors (though Stalin was an anti-Semite same as Hitler).  Then Beria was executed, for doing what was necessary, but you can't let a dangerous guy like that live.  Sadat did what was necessary, but you can't let a dangerous guy like that live.

Egypt hasn't been a great power for millennia ... so it is other people's puppet, a proud puppet to be sure.  Neo-colonialsm .. West or East, but you have to be someone's bitch.
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Offline Cavebear

http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85442/

Kissinger's own words.  Ignore that this isn't reported in the New York Times.  Obama clearly was following Kissinger ... as a Deep State operative, same as all preceding Presidents back to Truman (with the temporary exception of Kennedy).  NWO goes back to a fiction by H G Wells (I saw a B&W early movie of "The Shape Of Things To Come").  Basically involves a UN like government (of course in 1933 it would have been League of Nations) conquering the primitive nationalists.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/zbigniew-brzezinski-the-man-behind-obamas-foreign-policy/21369/

Brzezinski was the primary disciple of Kissinger.  Kissinger himself is usually too busy hobnobbing with European royalty and Popes to bother with US Presidents, and sleeping in his coffin during the day.  Brzezinski's pro-Poland/anti-Russia POV is all over our mis-begotten Nazi support in the Ukraine.  Mika, Brzezinski's daughter continues the proud tradition, at the Ministry Of Truth.

So Cavebear ... Agent of Shield, or Agent of Soros?

Did I miss a reference to him meeting with Obama? 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Did I miss a reference to him meeting with Obama?

They have this new thing ... a phone.  Also books.  But I am not saying Obama was Pinocchio, with the strings still attached.  The only string I saw was the one between the two tin cans ... yes, WH technology is that bad (see recent fails by CIA, NSA, OMB ...).

I think this is an epistemological blind point, often seen with atheists.  That actually fits in with Bishop Berkeley's Idealism.  If you personally didn't see it happen, then it never happened.  So of course if you didn't personally see G-d take out Adam's rib to create Eve, then it didn't happen.  That actually works in that case ... because it didn't happen.  Compare the policy positions and say ... they didn't work together?
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Offline Cavebear

They have this new thing ... a phone.  Also books.  But I am not saying Obama was Pinocchio, with the strings still attached.  The only string I saw was the one between the two tin cans ... yes, WH technology is that bad (see recent fails by CIA, NSA, OMB ...).

I think this is an epistemological blind point, often seen with atheists.  That actually fits in with Bishop Berkeley's Idealism.  If you personally didn't see it happen, then it never happened.  So of course if you didn't personally see G-d take out Adam's rib to create Eve, then it didn't happen.  That actually works in that case ... because it didn't happen.  Compare the policy positions and say ... they didn't work together?

I've heard of book.  Even the phone.  But the existence of neither is evidence they talked.   Though I wouldn'r be surprised if they did.  Obama talked to a lot of experienced people.

 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

I've heard of book.  Even the phone.  But the existence of neither is evidence they talked.   Though I wouldn'r be surprised if they did.  Obama talked to a lot of experienced people.

Not Jimmy Carter.  Obama was Kissinger's golum.  Kissinger created a whole army of them ;-(
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Offline Ibn Khaldun (OP)


You know Barouch you should ask for my permission before you go ahead and give my post a”like”

More than two generation and different US administration and shit goes back actually to the times of the Russian Czars ..

Creation of Israel. The soviet didn’t vote in favor out of love for Israel. Just another decision propelled by communist expansionist agenda .

The Americans debated among themselves to the very last minutes. Just minutes before the vote the phone call from the white house was made and the American delegation was given the green light to go ahead and vote in favor .

What it is , Americans are loath to the idea of creation of states or cessation. They had a devastating civil war . but in the end they overcame that shit and voted for. So American decision was moral which speaks well for them .add also  the Americans entered the Arabian scene  later after 1960s  . no vested interest in decision. infact vote for went against long term interest

Your “in favor “ of the Soviet union is an illusion . The soviets practiced arbitrariness. They go into a block and for no reason whatsoever  pick up a family or  bunch of people and butcher them and let everyone know. Its like getting hit by thunder .  The leftist mean to say they are god . its not idle talk they say there is no god . they say there is no god so they can say they are god . The left caused so much pain and suffering .people are fed up with them .in some third world countries , they grab them take them out to the bush and summarily execute them... And Americans must never relinquish the right to fire arms , for that day when the left tries that arbitrary shit .
 
It was Sadat . after the cease fire Kissinger walks in  and Sadat in his loud larger than life attitude bellows , “ my canal ( suez canal) is blocked by sunken ship and debris. Quick thinking Kissinger understands and says to Sadat  to give him a  minute  to make the necessary phone calls and the American navy moves in the canal and clears the debris . and Egypt joined the American fold .

Sadat set it up from the start. War to alter no war no peace state . Soviets were outsiders. Egyptian economy in a state of collapse. Sadat acted in the interest of his country. Nothing wrong with that .great thing to do . practical people you can work with. You can cut a  deal. America is gigantic economy and they play fair and always ready to cut a deal . this is with the exception of the American left of course. . Its not being someone bitch to cut a deal. Its being rational. Same goes for Israel.
 
Some say deep State , others say governments within governments . doesn’t matter. Kissinger is very powerful man with reach, leverage and contacts world wide. what distinguishes Kissinger is his ruthlessness.  What the left fears and hates about him, he is more ruthless than them. He is more than a match for them .  Kissinger favorite word is bomb them , just bomb them into smithereens .

One thing about Kissinger, he is american before jew.

 Kissinger  talked to Obama on several occasions and was in constant contact with his cabinet and some of them  did take orders from him.  No US admin can  write off Kissinger  . He has  leverage in the world and in the middle east  specially Egypt and Israel. But it didn’t matter because Obama can’t be talked to because Obama was not of sound mind .you have no idea the sort effort expended to restrain Obama from fucking up more than he did . I don’t mean crazy. I mean his character flaws are like that Greek tragedian character flaws. In the end he turned into loose canon .

The Iranian deal was not about preventing Iran from making the bomb or prolonging the time it takes them to make it.Just like N Korea,  Iran can not be persuaded not to make the bomb . everyone is agreed about that .  The Iranian deal was to prevent bombing Iran to stop Iran from making the bomb which was the only way to stop Iran from making the bomb. Kissinger was for bombing Iran, Obama and company  chose to live with an Iran who has the bomb, they rushed the deal just in time before Obama term expired. Trump now has  to 1st cancel the deal and then bomb .it can’t be done .

You can’t have the EU and America. The Euro can not survive with the dollar around, not when you do the math. .  In order for the EU to survive it has to either destroy America or severely compromise America .The EU was behind and backed  the Iranian deal .

People question why the American federal reserve walked it alone in the 2008 market crash. Yet everyone knows   the EU refused to co operate . the Chinese worked with the federal reserve . Japan stayed still . Royal Scotland Bank co operated.

Kissinger talked to Trump. He is very impressed. Its not easy to impress Kissinger. Kissinger  sees what seasoned politicians see . Trump has great instinct. Chuck Japan and South Korea. Those two must go and get their own bombs. The reason why there is N Korea problem is because of South Korea and japan. Therefore they should bear the brunt of their blunder.

Trump concentrating  on UK and Latin America. Liquidation in Latin America on the hour every hour .Trump must cut down the left in Latin America. Stop immigration into the US. Trump conducting intense bombing of Afghanistan .good idea. Bomb them into submission. .

Follow the oil. Exxon and chevron have  explaining to do . warren buffet. Why Exxon blew the money on buying its shares and dividends payout ? Tilerson needs to explain. If there is any moron its him and certainly not Trump.Trump would never have fucked up like that .  The US admin could have stopped it if someone  made a move .

After Trump speech at the UN the French lost the concession in the Niger . after brexit Bp got the delta concession nailed and brazil. .

The picture is opaque .no one knows. you don’t have to know. Just know enough to steer safely around the potholes .

That’s all on this matter .

Hey its supposed to be about  Buddhism. I want to talk about Hinduism.trample on it. did you or did you not see some of them Indian sweethearts?  they got hair that reaches the ankles.   I say we beat the Hindus and take their women. I want them .  I had one before. I wanted to bring her home but arab women won't have it. they would have poisoned  her .

Offline Baruch

Ibn - "they say there is no god so they can say they are god" ... yes, always look to someone's motives as to why they say and do what they say and do.  The motives might be evil.  I am civil with our friends here, only because they don't wear Cheka leather jackets or Mao jackets.  Of course religious people can be tyrants too.  They simply claim that G-d told them to be dicks.

Kissinger was German before he was Jewish.  Was American before he was Jewish.  Resumed being German before he was Jewish.  He is ruthless ... an evil man, like Bismarck.  He is a good German (sarc).  A good Jew isn't like that.  Netanyahu isn't a good Jew, but is a good Israeli.  The Israelis are like the Germans though.  A high quota of evil people in charge.  So you admire ruthless people?  You must like Nasser.  An Egyptian patriot to be sure, but more ruthless than Sadat ... but not as ruthless as Dayan.

Hinduism?  One of my studies, though not as well studied as Buddhism.  I have studied Sanskrit and Hindi.  Read the Gita, currently picking thru the Yoga Sutra.  So why would you care?  Like so many religious people, your knowledge of religion (as opposed to politics) is shallow.  You have to study the language, to study a culture.  So much of the culture is in the words they use.
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Offline Ibn Khaldun (OP)

Here we’re again. Myself,  a man of deep religious believes, a holy man , the best Catholic in the world second only to the pope and barouch , the not  phony Jew. I got my work cut out for me

You claim my knowledge of religion is shallow .You’re upset. Something I said ? look you need to be smacked . its good for you. I did Buddhism next is Hinduism. Don’t fight it . relax

Regarding Kissinger ruthlessness and shit , its complicated. You need some basic knowledge about religion  to figure it out .I’ll see what I can do for you .but first lets talk about my favorite people , the belly dancers. Incidentally you failed to pick up on Safeeya . she was 17 years old when Mohammed killed her father and brother when he massacred the Jewish tribe . and hey Barouch you want to point fingers at Kissinger when you romanticize a monster  murderer like Mohammed . get it together will you ? 

 Sadat set up the whole shit . I mean placing Egypt under the protection and on the good side of America. Kissinger was perfect match for the job. Very brainy and very sharp Kissinger was . Sadat knew that . but just to make sure he employed the belly dancers. He  knew Kissinger was an alpha male. Basically the center of his intelligence is located in his penis . so Sadat hit Kissinger with  one of two top belly dancer , Najwa Fowad . Kissinger fell in love with her at first sight .she danced and sat on his lap you see .  from that moment on , Kissinger was like.. where is najwa, bring me najwa, I want Najwa .Kissinger went nuts and bought two Arabian horses , called one Najwa and shipped them  to America. Shit is so funny.  unfortunately Njawa was married and her husband was  not someone  to dispose of . so the Egyptian security apparatus worked really hard and was able to find another girl who looked the split image of  Najwa , gave her crash course on belly dancing and  gave her to Kissinger so Kissinger shuts up about it . I’m talking like an identical twin except slightly taller . it cooled things down . But Kissinger still talked about the Najwa  . how is she ? my baby, where is she , I love her, etc  . you know shit like that . then came Nixon turn . Nixon visited and having heard all about it from Kissinger he looked at Sadat and he was like, lets have it .. Sadat unleashed the other belly dancer and Nixon eyes kept revolving in their socket . At one point the belly dancer came off the stage to dance directly infront of Nixon. Security forces moved to stop her but Nixon waved them away .he told them to  back the fuck off . she danced but she didn’t sit on his lap . that’s what they say . camera shit  censored .

 . Hey barouch , you know how every saint has a favorite saying that little people like to  quote by way of paying homage to him.I thought of a saying that I’d like people to quote after I get canonized. It goes : “If god created anything better than pussy he must have kept it for himself “

What do you think? Don’t hold back now. I don’t mind being showered with praise .

Kissinger and ruthlessness . its more complicated than that . its a combination. Americans are known as empiricist whereas Europeans as theoreticians. The marriage of the two produced the atomic bomb and the trip to the moon. The rest of mankind , such as soviet union, stole the secrets from the Americans via American leftist and commies. Basically shit is still the same . its not that clear cut but on the  whole that’s the way it works .

Now American mind set takes its shit directly from the bible being essentially protestants . in the bible there is  an over riding directive . it tells them to test . its directs them to  test the books test everything and take what is good . That’s  partly where that empirical bent comes from. the other shit is in what Jesus directs Christians to do which is to love god with all their heart , soul and mind . The bit about the mind says clearly to use their head , that is “reason” . The soul is to inject mysticism in their consideration . this is to mediate reason because reason can be brutal . reason says to kill ten millions in order to save eleven millions sort of shit . the heart, well, America is very generous , in some 20 years it gave away a trillion dollars in aid . so this is the life liberty and pursuit of happiness shit .

in one conference the Indian delegation stood up and said that America should give more .you give them an arm they want the leg . and Hilary and Obama want to bring the failures of the world and give them a home in America. Btw Barouch successful Africans and third world people do not immigrate . if you can’t make it in the third world you can’t make it in America . generally speaking.

The thing with Kissinger he is a theoretician. He is an European “reason” based mind set . it does love god with your mind and discards love god with your soul and with you heart . this is mind set that doesn’t do “why”. In tour response you used “why”. Kissinger mind doesn’t ask why . it asks “how come “ . it doesn’t asks why they do what they do , it asks how come they can get away with doing what they do. Then Netanyahu sends a precision  rocket  up the ass of Palestinian terrorist leader and terrorist doesn’t get away with talking his shit . its like that . you got it ? good

Now the next part is the Semite hell. You do shit and Kissinger visits on you his idea of hell, the lake/ball of fire . bomb you , burn you alive . Isis takes the Jordanian pilot , puts him in a cage and torches him/ . Shiite catch an Isis guy , they string him upside down and light a fire beneath . guys wiggles like fish in water. Sorry no water for you . I saw that shit I laughed so hard I had to bite on my fist to stop from laughing . in Arabic we have a saying , the worst of calamities is one that make you laugh . but frankly shit is funny.when I’m out there I can’t help cracking up at the shit .

Contrast that with Indian re incarnation . now that shit doesn’t lead to the Semite hell. Long story , but what it leads to is biological warfare . The Japanese being re incarnation lot were poised to strike America with shit that would have killed tens of millions and lasted to this day .The Americans nuked the two islands. Couple of hell fireballs and Japanese caved in. Americans have shit they call hell fire missiles . oh shit .. You better watch it .

Godless sissy commie punks versus hell fire Americans , who you think would win the day . The Lord of hosts of the armies doesn’t fuck around. Lean mean calculating machine . he flooded the whole  planet . I think that was because something went wrong with bi pedal genes . sin after all means error. To correct it he had to eliminate most of the bi pedal population. He said he wouldn’t do it again. So we’re stuck with these genes . Putin of Russia is of the opinion in the future we will merge with machine . bionic man. The question that presents itself would it be possible to trip bionic man with the belly dancer ?  .
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You need to somehow rise above the indoctrination and realize Christianity is not really a religion.Lumping religions like you do blocks your seeing.  The NT is an ethical book for the most parts. Religion points to rules . The rules are in Catholicism. And even then the Vatican from the outset ceded the right to war and all to do with war to the State . The State operates on the basis of “reason”  . they call it natural law . what the Vatican does is appeal to the State in terms of “reason”. When that doesn’t work and the severity  of situation calls for it the Vatican tries to inject mysticism  to  mediate reason .

Nasser was not a patriot . he was a pan Arabist . he was originally a Muslim brother  . In the beginning his crowd gave Sadat some static. They banged on the chairs and shouted Nasser Nasser . Sadat got on the podium and said that Egyptians were pharaohs with 7 thousand years civilization and referring to Nasser he stretched his hands and said “The man is dead “.

the above is crude, but profiling roughly goes like that . belly dancers were tried on hitler . mixed results . Hitler was odd sexually. Obama they say was semi gay or something . Brezhnev went well with .

Offline Baruch

Ok I liked that meandering screed.  Quite a brain dump.  Goes to show that every culture has conspiracy theories.  But really, none of us has inside information.  Also it is generally considered embarrassing to refer to sex like a teenager when you are actually a mature person.
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Offline Baruch

Ibn - there are people who know religion and those who know Religion.  You seem to only know religion, the externalities.  Not the interior, not Religion.  You were never a Sufi, yes?

Without وحدة الروح you don't know Religion.
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Ibn - there are people who know religion and those who know Religion.  You seem to only know religion, the externalities.  Not the interior, not Religion.  You were never a Sufi, yes?

Without وحدة الروح you don't know Religion.
I think a more appropriate question would be--'Are you, or have you ever been, sane?????' I think I know the answer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

I think a more appropriate question would be--'Are you, or have you ever been, sane?????' I think I know the answer.

Democritus, the Laughing philosopher ... laughed at everyone and everything, except himself and his own ideas.  Others thought he was insane.  As the founding atomist, he was the sanest of all of them.  Ibn doesn't laugh enough I think.
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Ibn doesn't laugh enough I think.
Ibn doesn't think enough--I laugh.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

OP is a waste of time.  Mental and emotional issues galore.  Not entertaining in the least.

Offline Ibn Khaldun (OP)

My OP stands. I’m Catholic . I beat you. I'm brillaint. Go write one and lets see you make an ass out of yourself . Put your money where your mouth is .

St Augustine. Soul points to immaterial . it’s a conceive deal . That’s  one solution suggested by St Augustine . doesn’t matter if he is right or wrong , the important part he invited in  intellectualism and philosophy  by suggesting it . This is as opposed to failed Islamic civilization Abu Hamid AL ghazelle

St Augustine is a start. Start there . don’t waste your time on failed civilizations. Work your way to latest which is official catholic doctrine .going can be rather tasking though . its rigged to receive any further advances in modern sciences.

To know religion is no problem. Its to know the rules. In Islam there is one interpretations that  ascribed to Mohammed . Mohammed is actually joint god with Allah  or better still allah working for him .read Thomas wolfe. 

Look Jesus in the bible likeness soul to shit you can’t tell where it comes from and where it goes . This Catholic theologians showed me a bunch of formulations . I’ve been working on them now and then for 6 years . I haven’t got anywhere . I found  however a number that keeps popping up repeatedly .  the law of causality stops and restarts but it does it without time passing . Its always there but it changes direction and branches in directions . I think but I’m not sure its free will. .

so math even though can and will go above  rationality and reason still doesn’t  get you anywhere . The Saint argues you can get a glimpse of the truth , just a glimpse mind you, through the soul defined by him as “unified” in the sense of being single , immortal , with that glimpse handed down to it through the maker , the logos , the god of Catholicism.  The forefathers, the jews arrived at the same conclusion albeit by revelation. things though progressed a lot ever since.