Author Topic: What is fiction?  (Read 387 times)

Offline Cavebear

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2017, 09:20:33 AM »
I have had a book in my mind for years of short stories where the main characters in each story were all average or below average, by that, either in intelligence, social status or simply kind of a schmo. But in each story an event would happen and they would make a conscious decision to take action and to become a hero. And in each story just as the moment of greatness was at hand, some type of calamity would occur and they would be killed or their efforts would be completely overlooked, missed or simply misconstrued so that no one would ever know they even attempted. But after thinking of several story lines, I decided that,  while one story might be good, several of the same type of ending would simply be disheartening to a reader.

Mine are more how the bow was discovered, how horses were domesticated, how gold was first melted, etc.  LOL!
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2017, 01:53:56 PM »
Mine are more how the bow was discovered, how horses were domesticated, how gold was first melted, etc.  LOL!

You wrote Clan Of The Cavebear?
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Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2017, 07:46:20 PM »
Fiction? Why it's all 100% true all the time.  They can't write things that aren't true!  Everyone knows that.
Please don't say that, or else I'll have to acknowledge that Star Wars had prequels.

Offline Cavebear

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2017, 11:14:40 PM »
You wrote Clan Of The Cavebear?

Jean Auel, you Court Fool.  But the day we got internet at the office, the first 2 phrases I searched were "Atheist" and "Clan of the Cave Bear". 
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2017, 10:46:41 AM »
Jean Auel, you Court Fool.  But the day we got internet at the office, the first 2 phrases I searched were "Atheist" and "Clan of the Cave Bear".

So the female protagonist of "Clan of the Cave Bear" invented atheism too?  Amazing.  What will French feminist cave women think of next? ;-))
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Offline trdsf

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2017, 06:40:04 PM »
Ugh.  I've had an awful time lately with inspiration, so I've been editing rather than writing.  The last idea I've had is too derivative of Robinson's Callahan's Cross-Time Saloon or Clarke's Tales of the White Hart.  I could probably still do something useful with it, but I'll put it off for a while.

Fortunately, there is something satisfying in a simple word tweak that vastly improves not just the structure of the sentence and paragraph, but also of the story.
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2017, 05:02:51 AM »
Ugh.  I've had an awful time lately with inspiration, so I've been editing rather than writing.  The last idea I've had is too derivative of Robinson's Callahan's Cross-Time Saloon or Clarke's Tales of the White Hart.  I could probably still do something useful with it, but I'll put it off for a while.

Fortunately, there is something satisfying in a simple word tweak that vastly improves not just the structure of the sentence and paragraph, but also of the story.

I like reading and editing better than writing.  I have never had a grand inspiration to write more than an essay, and never fiction.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2017, 05:04:24 AM »
So the female protagonist of "Clan of the Cave Bear" invented atheism too?  Amazing.  What will French feminist cave women think of next? ;-))

I never said that, but that never stops you from suggesting something never said.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2017, 07:19:36 AM »
I never said that, but that never stops you from suggesting something never said.

Some people's posts are so poor, I have to improve them ;-))
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2017, 02:56:17 PM »
Some people's posts are so poor, I have to improve them ;-))

With what was never said?  I reverse don't actually not agree with opposite possibly unnegative.
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2017, 08:26:19 PM »
With what was never said?  I reverse don't actually not agree with opposite possibly unnegative.

Your clearest post yet!

Opposite possibly unnegative ... a opposite of a possibly positive (including zero) aka a possibly negative (including zero).

Don't actually not agree ... if we accept black/white conditions, that means you agree (I think).  So so rare we have you agreeing to a possible negative (including zero).

Reversing that means that you disagree with agreeing to a possible negative (including zero).  Agreeing to disagree means you have some position, that is in disagreement with some other position.  "What was never said" qualifies as a zero ... not a possible net negative.  So that fits the bottom structure of your layered utterance.  Meaning that you are agreeing to disagree with a possible non-statement.  You think there was an implication in what I seem to have said, and you are agreeing to disagree about that.  Wheww!  Reminds me of ...



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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: What is fiction?
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2017, 07:15:28 PM »
What is art?  Northern Exposure exposed this truth ...

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