Author Topic: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?  (Read 894 times)

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2017, 01:10:08 PM »
At least Mordor has a better leader than we do.

What policies of his do you not like?

Offline Baruch

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2017, 01:10:26 PM »
At least Mordor has a better leader than we do.

Are you sure?  We put Sauron on the dollar bill ;-))
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Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2017, 01:16:44 PM »
What policies of his do you not like?
Can't think of one I do like.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2017, 01:17:11 PM »
Are you sure?  We put Sauron on the dollar bill ;-))
Yeah, I'm sure.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2017, 01:35:15 PM »

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2017, 02:25:11 PM »
lol
Can you share anything positive Trump has done?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »
Here's Chump, showing what he's all about:


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Offline Shiranu (OP)

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2017, 04:34:43 PM »
Certainly.

Though I'm not sure how that's relevant since he (Trump) has done neither.

The evidence is not in your favour. Forget religion, defending trump requires some true delusion. Religion is at least intangible, but we can empirically prove that Donald is a complete and utter failure of a president, and within his first year has already secured a legacy of being one of the worst presidents we have ever had.

I get how embarrassing that must be to admit, but digging a hole deeper and deeper won't help you escape that shame.
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Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2017, 05:04:56 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/321

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/255

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/38

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/657

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1094
I will admit that those bill titles look good.  But the title of a bill passed by Congress means nothing.  And I'm not going to take the time to read about what those bill 'actually' accomplish. 

For the sake of argument let me just stipulate that those bills are all positive.  What does that really have to do with Trump?  Did he or Obama really work to get those bills written and passed?  Or did neither?  I don't know the history of any of those.  And this is the pinnacle of what Trump has accomplished? 

Let me just say that I am deeply disappointed in each and every appointment to any and every office; plus he has not come close to appointing people to all of the offices that should be.  I am so fucking tired of his daily stream of lies.  His posturing with North Korea is beyond childish and clearly dangerous.  He has not done anything with class; not done anything that is not divisive; not done anything that is not to his own personal advantage.  And I wonder if he can ever get himself off his own golf courses???? The best I can say for Trump is that he is alive-----wait......wait.......yeah, not even that is positive!
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline trdsf

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2017, 05:09:15 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/321
Originally introduced in 2016.  Reintroduced 2017.  Not Trump's initiative.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/255
Originally introduced in 2014.  Reintroduced in 2016 and 2017.  Democratic initiatative.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/38
Strongly disagree this is a "good" thing.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/657
Originated in 2016.  Not a Trump initiative.  Re-introduced in 2017, nearly unanimous vote in both houses - completely bipartisan support.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1094
Well, hey.  One that actually originated this year.  Although I see no indication that this was his idea.

The only claim you can make is that he signed them, or didn't oppose them.  None of these appear to have originated with him.
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Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2017, 05:34:51 PM »
Originally introduced in 2016.  Reintroduced 2017.  Not Trump's initiative.
Originally introduced in 2014.  Reintroduced in 2016 and 2017.  Democratic initiatative.
Strongly disagree this is a "good" thing.
Originated in 2016.  Not a Trump initiative.  Re-introduced in 2017, nearly unanimous vote in both houses - completely bipartisan support.
Well, hey.  One that actually originated this year.  Although I see no indication that this was his idea.

The only claim you can make is that he signed them, or didn't oppose them.  None of these appear to have originated with him.


The question wasn't "What have the republicans done?" It was "What has TRUMP done?"

Your entire post, then, is irrelevant.

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2017, 05:38:53 PM »
I will admit that those bill titles look good.  But the title of a bill passed by Congress means nothing.  And I'm not going to take the time to read about what those bill 'actually' accomplish.
The site has a summary, albeit in legal terms, of what the bill is, on the very pages I cited.


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For the sake of argument let me just stipulate that those bills are all positive.  What does that really have to do with Trump?  Did he or Obama really work to get those bills written and passed?  Or did neither?  I don't know the history of any of those.  And this is the pinnacle of what Trump has accomplished? 
">For the sake of argument lets assume that the bills Trump signed are good
>What does that have to do with Trump?"

u wot.

The evidence is not in your favour.
Let's have a 1 on 1 debate in the formal debates section.
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Offline Shiranu (OP)

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2017, 05:52:47 PM »
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Let's have a 1 on 1 debate in the formal debates section.

I'll leave the debates to Mueller. He and his investigation is more important than my opinion, and he has allot more evidence than we do.
"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..." - Nelson Mandela

"Too much sanity may be madness and the maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it should be." - Miguel de Cervantes

Re: Marcus Tullius Cicero on... Donald Trump?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2017, 05:57:07 PM »

Let's have a 1 on 1 debate in the formal debates section.
Let's not.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?