Author Topic: No, it's not  (Read 920 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2017, 12:16:20 AM »
You know, even though I was the OP, I completely forgot about it yesterday.  But then, my asshole roommate moved out yesterday (without warning, which figures), so I was imbibing in many manhattans in celebration.  :D

Good luck finding a better roommate.  Meanwhile, goodbye to bad rubbish?
שלום

Offline trdsf (OP)

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2017, 12:38:31 AM »
Good luck finding a better roommate.  Meanwhile, goodbye to bad rubbish?
I'm not even interested in another roommate right now.  I can afford the place just fine on my own.  There are only two people right now that I would be willing to consider as roommate material.  One is my ex and one is an old friend from WAY back.  Other than them, fuck it.
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." -- Calvin and Hobbes
"I thought I committed regicide today, but I committed deicide!" -- Sadie Doyle, Beyond Belief

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2017, 09:19:57 AM »
You know, even though I was the OP, I completely forgot about it yesterday.  But then, my asshole roommate moved out yesterday (without warning, which figures), so I was imbibing in many manhattans in celebration.  :D
Congrats on your new-found freedom and peace of mind!
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2017, 09:39:29 AM »
You mean I survived the apocalypse, and didn't even get a stupid T-shirt?
God Not Found
“Money supplants skill; it's possession allows us to become happily stupid.”
Bill McKibben, The Age of Missing Information

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2017, 01:26:57 PM »
You mean I survived the apocalypse, and didn't even get a stupid T-shirt?

All t-shirts come from China now, and you would be helping the enemy, if you bought one ;-)
שלום

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2017, 04:04:37 PM »
China may be your enemy, but not mine - nor America's, as far as I know.
God Not Found
“Money supplants skill; it's possession allows us to become happily stupid.”
Bill McKibben, The Age of Missing Information

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2017, 07:29:14 PM »
China may be your enemy, but not mine - nor America's, as far as I know.

Says the guy with the Karl Marx avatar ;-)  Sure comrade, tell me a good joke like that, at the next Party Congress.
שלום

Offline Cavebear

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2017, 03:46:42 AM »
You are the first person to take my statement as non-sarcasm, and make an intelligent question!  Are you the real Unbeliever? ;-)

I study humanity, anthropology, comparative religion thru place and time.  I get into people's head space, living or dead.  Monotheism arises from paganism, so does atheism (all secularism).  Monotheism (to atheists) is a way station on the path from many gods to no gods (full secularism).  However I don't believe in Aristotelian teleology; human life and breakdown of tradition is too great, each generation nearly starts from scratch.  I see all theism as personalism ... and monotheism as fundamentalist paganism.  Jews, Christians and Muslims are far into the fundie spectrum compared to pagans.   That doesn't mean that pagans are necessarily tolerant, they are simply more complex (see modern Sri Lanka ... Buddhist fundies).  To me, secularism is impersonalism.  A few Hindus and Buddhists are impersonalists ... but they are LARPing secularists.  Most Hindus and Buddhists are theistic.

In Greco-Roman culture, there was a continuum from simple peasant to Zeus on Olympus.  Divinity wasn't either/or, but either/and.  Since proclaiming one's divinity was a dangerous political statement, usually this was confined to prominent living people (Alexander or the Emperor Augustus) or recently living prominent people (Julius Caesar).  But this was political, that wasn't the underlying pagan thinking.  But it was articulated, by the rich and powerful, mythologically.

I'm impressed that you acknowledge the gradual religious steps from natural pantheism to multiple specific deities to monotheism.  I didn't know you had it in you.

But you still fail to make the last logical step.  That there can be one less deity than the popular current idea of ONE deity...  Go for "none".  You are almost there.

Take that last step and be free...

Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2017, 07:06:06 PM »
I'm impressed that you acknowledge the gradual religious steps from natural pantheism to multiple specific deities to monotheism.  I didn't know you had it in you.

But you still fail to make the last logical step.  That there can be one less deity than the popular current idea of ONE deity...  Go for "none".  You are almost there.

Take that last step and be free...

Why be free?  Free fall doesn't end so good ;-(
שלום

Offline Cavebear

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2017, 06:02:12 AM »
Why be free?  Free fall doesn't end so good ;-(

The difference between "free" and "free fall" is the difference between "without cost" and "THUD".
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2017, 10:43:22 AM »
The difference between "free" and "free fall" is the difference between "without cost" and "THUD".

There is no free lunch .. it always ends in a THUD.  I hope to die, before the present fantasy economy goes THUD.
שלום

Offline Cavebear

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2017, 10:51:12 AM »
There is no free lunch .. it always ends in a THUD.  I hope to die, before the present fantasy economy goes THUD.

The eternal jester...

TANSTAAFL.  But the THUD is entirely different, as you well know. 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2017, 11:06:02 AM »
The eternal jester...

TANSTAAFL.  But the THUD is entirely different, as you well know.

THAD is entirely different, it is in S Korea, to prevent the NorKs from doing any THUDs.  Tell me how you feel when all government pensions are cut to zero, as a way to pay for the tax cuts of the rich ;-(
שלום

Offline Cavebear

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2017, 11:14:23 AM »
THAD is entirely different, it is in S Korea, to prevent the NorKs from doing any THUDs.  Tell me how you feel when all government pensions are cut to zero, as a way to pay for the tax cuts of the rich ;-(

That has nothing to do with anything, as so many of your posts also do not.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Baruch

Re: No, it's not
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2017, 01:41:38 PM »
That has nothing to do with anything, as so many of your posts also do not.

If it happens (nuke from NorK or killing pensions) you won't find it nothing ;-(  Municipal pensions are nearing self destruction (see Dallas) in shades of Detroit past.  How much longer until Federal pensions and SS are nuked?  Stupid rabbit, tricks are for politicians working for plutocracy.
שלום