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Online Shiranu (OP)

The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« on: September 16, 2017, 12:10:48 AM »

Ouch.




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Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 08:55:58 AM »
One reason they hate liberals is Roosevelt and Truman kept them out of the White House for 20 years. They had to go outside the ... clan ... to get a winner in Eisenhower. When he had had enough of politics they lost the White House again. They got it back only to have Nixon flee Washington to avoid trial by the Senate. So yeah, they don't like anyone who gets in their way.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline SGOS

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 09:06:43 AM »
Well, sure, liberal doesn't seem like a slur if all you look at are it's goals and accomplishments.  But look at it as a conservative. 

OK, play the role of a conservative and imagine someone whispers in your ear, "Liberal."  Now imagine yourself suddenly triggered into rage of anger and hatred.  You can actually hear Rush Limbaugh in your mind, yelling that you can no longer own guns.  That everything that makes your life the pitiful excuse for existence that it is, is because of Anderson Cooper and the liberal media.

You see, the negative reputation of "liberal" is not based on what it stands for.  You respond to the word by your conditioning, put there by the people that program you.  They also tell you that Democrats are liberals, and that just about does it politically because you never knew the difference between  Democrat and Liberal, and now you are convinced they are the same thing.
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Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 09:08:22 AM »
Liberal comes from the word 'liberty'.  Conservative comes from conserving what was.  Liberals wanted to do away with the Divine Right of Kings.  Conservatives want to conserve that.  Liberals railed against Trump.  Conservatives want to make Trump a King by Divine Right.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 09:11:08 AM »
Liberal comes from the word 'liberty'.  Conservative comes from conserving what was.  Liberals wanted to do away with the Divine Right of Kings.  Conservatives want to conserve that.  Liberals railed against Trump.  Conservatives want to make Trump a King by Divine Right.

And George Washington was a liberal (sort of), Girondist actually.  And a traitor.
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Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 09:24:18 AM »
Well, sure, liberal doesn't seem like a slur if all you look at are it's goals and accomplishments.  But look at it as a conservative. 

OK, play the role of a conservative and imagine someone whispers in your ear, "Liberal."  Now imagine yourself suddenly triggered into rage of anger and hatred.  You can actually hear Rush Limbaugh in your mind, yelling that you can no longer own guns.  That everything that makes your life the pitiful excuse for existence that it is, is because of Anderson Cooper and the liberal media.

You see, the negative reputation of "liberal" is not based on what it stands for.  You respond to the word by your conditioning, put there by the people that program you.  They also tell you that Democrats are liberals, and that just about does it politically because you never knew the difference between  Democrat and Liberal, and now you are convinced they are the same thing.
The wingnuts use it for the FUD factor. Conservatives have trouble processing more than one word at a time, so just say "liberal" and they're angry/terrified/righteous.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 09:24:51 AM »
Liberal comes from the word 'liberty'.  Conservative comes from conserving what was.  Liberals wanted to do away with the Divine Right of Kings.  Conservatives want to conserve that.  Liberals railed against Trump.  Conservatives want to make Trump a King by Divine Right.
The opposite of liberal is actually "reactionary."
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2017, 09:49:25 AM »
The opposite of liberal is actually "reactionary."

The opposite of progressive is regressive.  But progressive isn't always good, think of "progressive cancer".  That is what cultural Marxism represents.  Victory of sociopathy.

No, there aren't any real liberals anymore, they are just Marxists LARPing as Democrats.

These extreme opposites ... that is why I am a centrist.  I really don't want to end up like Pinocchio at the naughty boy's carnival.
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Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2017, 12:17:52 PM »
Liberals are cool.

Leftists are not.

Also, liberalism and conservatism are not diametrically opposed. One can be both. Conservatism is synonymous with right-wing, but liberalism isn't synonymous with left-wing. Liberalism is inherently centrist, centrist-left, or centrist-right. Communism is inherently left-wing, and yet they hate liberals, and in fact view liberalism as a type of conservatism.
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Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2017, 02:03:03 PM »
Liberals are cool.

Leftists are not.

Also, liberalism and conservatism are not diametrically opposed. One can be both. Conservatism is synonymous with right-wing, but liberalism isn't synonymous with left-wing. Liberalism is inherently centrist, centrist-left, or centrist-right. Communism is inherently left-wing, and yet they hate liberals, and in fact view liberalism as a type of conservatism.
Agree.  And a person can be liberal in one part of his/her life and conservative in others.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 02:33:40 PM »
Agree.  And a person can be liberal in one part of his/her life and conservative in others.
Just like the states, we're not 100% blue OR red.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2017, 03:29:20 PM »
Liberals are cool.

Leftists are not.

Also, liberalism and conservatism are not diametrically opposed. One can be both. Conservatism is synonymous with right-wing, but liberalism isn't synonymous with left-wing. Liberalism is inherently centrist, centrist-left, or centrist-right. Communism is inherently left-wing, and yet they hate liberals, and in fact view liberalism as a type of conservatism.

Those on the Right seem to like equating Liberals with Communists/Socialists...
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Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2017, 04:13:17 PM »
Those on the Right seem to like equating Liberals with Communists/Socialists...

Yep.

And to the left, everyone who disagrees with them is -LITERALLY- a nazi.

If you identify with either wing, you've probably succumbed to trablistic thinking. And if you identify with either the democrat or republican party then you DEFINITELY have succumbed to tribalistic thinking.

Generally, when someone who identifies with one wing hears a criticism of their wing, even if the person doing the criticizing is also criticizing the other wing at the same time, they, like the reactionaries they are, go "BUT ____ WINGERS DO THIS."

When the right-wingers call you an SJW and the leftists call you a fascist, THAT's when you know you're in the sweet spot.

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2017, 05:53:14 PM »
The sweeping generalizations are just awesome.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: The West Wing & The Horrible "L" Word (Liberal)
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 09:41:52 PM »
The generalizations have to be swept before they can be mopped...
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