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Offline Coveny (OP)

Genetically modified .... humans
« on: September 15, 2017, 06:55:32 PM »
Humans have already shown that it’s going to be a slippery slope when designer babies pick up full steam. PGD is widely used around the world currently to allow parents to select some of the traits of their children, such as gender and eye color.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a19313/genetic-engineering-allow-parents-select-gender-eye-color-children/

First genetically modified human embryo happened this year.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/world-s-first-genetically-modified-human-embryo-raises-ethical-concerns/

Is genetic modification of humans to remove genetic illnesses like some cancers, color blindness, Sickle-Cell, Hemophilia, etc. a matter of if or a matter of when? A U.S. Panel has already endorsed it for these serious diseases.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603633/us-panel-endorses-designer-babies-to-avoid-serious-disease/

Ethically and morally I see it as a positive thing. The ability to remove genetic diseases from the world is huge in and of itself, and I think it more than overcomes the possible abuse by parents to make perfect little designer babies. But we live in a capitalist world so is it just going to become yet another way that the 1% is “better” than the rest of us? Or on the other end what about genetic mistakes happening in third world countries doing bargain basement genetic modifications?

So do you think the benefits of genetically modified humans outweigh the negatives?
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Online Shiranu

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2017, 07:08:18 PM »
I have to be honest, I don't have much thought on it one way or another. Morally I am for it, but I have read enough cyber punk to know what it leads to :P.
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Offline Mermaid

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2017, 08:08:49 PM »
Yes, I think the benefits are worth it. There are a lot of ethical issues in medicine, and while this is a big one, it's just another ethical issue.
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Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2017, 10:53:54 PM »
Getting rid of heritable diseases (in perpetuity) is a hugely beneficial thing.  That's an ethical imperative.

But designer babies, that's a little murkier.  Especially when it exacerbates Haves and Have-Nots.

If it were implemented in an ethical way (which is doubtful atm), it might be okay.  For example, Martian colonists collectively deciding on some trait that would be beneficial in their low-gravity environment, that might be okay.  But only the super rich making designer babies, that way leads to a very bad future.

Offline Baruch

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2017, 11:47:36 PM »
In the future, you techno-enthusiasts will all be sterile female worker bees in Hillary's hive ;-)  You won't be Dr Frankenstein, drawing lightning from Heaven.

Bioengineering in an immoral world?  Not a good idea.  Best to nuke humanity first, before we show how we can build The Island of Dr Moreau.

Sorry, bioethics concerns are my highest concern ... and the failure of most people to take it seriously is why I have no hope for humanity.  We already have sheep in London who are 10% human genome.  How much farther do you maniacs want to take it?  Weed out all Republicans?  How about weed out all Black people or all Democrats?  You know where this is going.  There is no utopia, just dystopia.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2017, 11:49:29 PM by Baruch »
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Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 12:35:18 PM »
I've been expecting this for years now. I think that when genetic engineering is introduced for human babies, it will be resisted at first. Sometime down the line, however, I think public opinion will slowly shift to accept it, embrace it, and eventually mandate it. At some point, it is going to be considered child abuse not to genetically engineer children to be clear of genetic diseases, just as neglecting to give children vaccines is starting to be seen as child abuse. It might even be common practice to maximize intelligence, artistic ability, etc, and the entire human race will have the genetic component to literally be capable of mastering any skill they desire.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 12:52:34 PM »
Some people will no doubt design their sons to be mentally challenged socially inept banjo players.

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2017, 10:24:28 PM »
I've been expecting this for years now. I think that when genetic engineering is introduced for human babies, it will be resisted at first. Sometime down the line, however, I think public opinion will slowly shift to accept it, embrace it, and eventually mandate it. At some point, it is going to be considered child abuse not to genetically engineer children to be clear of genetic diseases, just as neglecting to give children vaccines is starting to be seen as child abuse. It might even be common practice to maximize intelligence, artistic ability, etc, and the entire human race will have the genetic component to literally be capable of mastering any skill they desire.
Raising the bar of human capabilities across the board could be a huge boon to humanity.  Imagine what humanity could accomplish with prodigies galore working with increasingly sophisticated technology.  But implemented in an incorrect way could lead to a genetic elite and genetic discrimination.

As always, science/technology unlocks the future but we have to choose what kind of future we want.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 10:26:21 PM by Hydra009 »

Offline Coveny (OP)

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2017, 11:29:07 PM »
Making us more resilient could pose other problems to the symbiosis we call the human digestive system. If they wanted us to be able to get the nutrients we need without bacteria and other lifeforms living in us, they would really have to rework the human body to overcome the deficiencies. Also there are issues with creating a totally different type of class warfare where you have the designer people of means versus then randoms who can't afford it.
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Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2017, 11:40:21 PM »
Making us more resilient could pose other problems to the symbiosis we call the human digestive system. If they wanted us to be able to get the nutrients we need without bacteria and other lifeforms living in us, they would really have to rework the human body to overcome the deficiencies. Also there are issues with creating a totally different type of class warfare where you have the designer people of means versus then randoms who can't afford it.

Maybe people will be sterilized from birth, so that no accidental babies could be made. Then if they want a child, they'll have to go to a doctor to have one made, using the parent(s) own genes as a base to start with. They might even have parenting permits, requiring people to prove their worth as potential parents, which will be revoked if the parent is found guilty of child abuse.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 12:10:53 AM »
I've been expecting this for years now. I think that when genetic engineering is introduced for human babies, it will be resisted at first. Sometime down the line, however, I think public opinion will slowly shift to accept it, embrace it, and eventually mandate it. At some point, it is going to be considered child abuse not to genetically engineer children to be clear of genetic diseases, just as neglecting to give children vaccines is starting to be seen as child abuse. It might even be common practice to maximize intelligence, artistic ability, etc, and the entire human race will have the genetic component to literally be capable of mastering any skill they desire.

Cannibalism will be resisted at first, but given the ability of the human to accommodate to dystopias .... it will become normal.  And sorry, you won't be maximizing anything ... the wealthy will make themselves or their children into supermen.  Khan!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 12:11:32 AM »
Some people will no doubt design their sons to be mentally challenged socially inept banjo players.

And that isn't child abuse?  Parents do a bad enough job already.  Brainiacs are autistics male defectives ... the people who post here would be weeded out by the managerial class.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 12:14:58 AM by Baruch »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 12:12:14 AM »
Making us more resilient could pose other problems to the symbiosis we call the human digestive system. If they wanted us to be able to get the nutrients we need without bacteria and other lifeforms living in us, they would really have to rework the human body to overcome the deficiencies. Also there are issues with creating a totally different type of class warfare where you have the designer people of means versus then randoms who can't afford it.

Why do you hate your gut bacteria?  Are you Howard Hughes?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 12:12:46 AM »
Maybe people will be sterilized from birth, so that no accidental babies could be made. Then if they want a child, they'll have to go to a doctor to have one made, using the parent(s) own genes as a base to start with. They might even have parenting permits, requiring people to prove their worth as potential parents, which will be revoked if the parent is found guilty of child abuse.

Too bad they didn't do it to your parents?  Is that you Dr Mengele?  I am so glad we will be finally able to clone Hitler's nose (movie Sleeper and Boys From Brazil) so we can really get that 1000 year Reich going ;-(
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Offline trdsf

Re: Genetically modified .... humans
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2017, 12:44:53 AM »
So do you think the benefits of genetically modified humans outweigh the negatives?
I think it's something we need to move very slowly and carefully at.  We can't always predict whether or not there will be any knock-on effect from changing a gene or two -- we already know that it's possible for one stretch of code to be transcribed in multiple ways.  I'd be concerned about the possibility of messing up an alternate transcription.

A long, slow process of evolution brought our species to this point, and dinking with a code that's evolved to fit its environment should not be done lightly.
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