Author Topic: Flags: Why, "Do Your Parents Know I'm Black?" Is Still A Very Important Question  (Read 749 times)

My opinion of the Confederate flag is about the same as my opinion of the German Nazi swastika - it has no place in a democratic society. I don't think traitors to their country should be in any way honored, with either flags or statues.

I know Baruch says that this nation's founders were all traitors to their country, but I bet Britain doesn't have statues honoring them, either.
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Offline Munch

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its alright, i was possessed by the amityville ghost.

Online Baruch

My opinion of the Confederate flag is about the same as my opinion of the German Nazi swastika - it has no place in a democratic society. I don't think traitors to their country should be in any way honored, with either flags or statues.

I know Baruch says that this nation's founders were all traitors to their country, but I bet Britain doesn't have statues honoring them, either.

1. If you learn to see your country, from the eyes of a different country, or better yet, an enemy ... your eyes will be open and never close.

2. Yes, Britain still has stuff they pillaged from the White House before they burned it.  For all we have done for them in two world wars.  So like Ireland (even the Republican part) .. we are England's bitch.  Not that I mind.

3. Britain has its own long standing ennui ... see the recent feelings about King Richard III.  Think of the hostile portrayals by Shakespeare ... think Tywin Lannister ;-))  My Tudor relations were on the opposite side, but had a more distant relationship with King Richard's ancestors thru relatives of William the Conqueror.  My closer cousins fighting my distant cousins .. as Bosworth.  But King Richard might have won, except for betrayal on the battlefield by Sir William Stanley.

4. I doubt non-Americans can understand how "triggering" the Confederate flags (more than one of them) is.  I would never display one myself, even if I have some sympathy for the South being from Texas, and a grandson of a KKK member.  Nor do I have the slightest prejudice against African-Americans.
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1. If you learn to see your country, from the eyes of a different country, or better yet, an enemy ... your eyes will be open and never close.

Sounds like the outsider test of faith.
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Online Baruch

Sounds like the outsider test of faith.

Politics is a kind of faith.  It is just as much a part of the Matrix as the church is.  So blue pill then?
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Online Cavebear

THere comes a time in any rational society to set the errors of the past free and move on. 

In this case, there are times when some people were honored and are deservedly not now.  This is that time.  Let the Civil War statues be removed because they no longer represent what we should honor.
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Online Baruch

THere comes a time in any rational society to set the errors of the past free and move on. 

In this case, there are times when some people were honored and are deservedly not now.  This is that time.  Let the Civil War statues be removed because they no longer represent what we should honor.

Only when there is collective amnesia.  Otherwise you are proposing selective cause/effect.  The effect of both correct and incorrect action 200 years ago, influences us, everyone in between, and all our posterity as well.  Drop in a still pond and all that.

I agree, take down Mt Rushmore, we shouldn't honor Washington nor Jefferson.
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Nor do I have the slightest prejudice against African-Americans.
When you have to say something like that, you have a slight problem...
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Online Baruch

When you have to say something like that, you have a slight problem...

You have a slight problem with me giving you "likes" ... so maybe you are the one in denial.  Of course I wasn't raised to be particular prejudiced, fortunately.  And I pride myself on being pragmatically fair minded and beneficent.  You can kiss my Papal ring now ;-))
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Online Cavebear

You have a slight problem with me giving you "likes" ... so maybe you are the one in denial.  Of course I wasn't raised to be particular prejudiced, fortunately.  And I pride myself on being pragmatically fair minded and beneficent.  You can kiss my Papal ring now ;-))

Oh my, Baruch, that is an entirely different subject.  I don't "like" you because I don't like you.  You are a trollish pest who adds little to the Board discussion.  But there you are and I am here and bored.  I would much rather talk to ALMOST anyone else.

But you aren't the DUMBEST theist I've even met, so...

But really, no I don't care about your "likes" to my posts in the least.  It almost insults me.  Let that relieve you from any feeling of obligation. 
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Offline Shiranu (OP)

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So lemme get this right, you've not seen the movie, and so you don't know the story, which is what my discussion was about, the setting within the movie, and you got so butthurt over what I said, that you interpreted it as the reality, instead of pausing to think maybe, just maybe, I'm talking about the premise of story within the film?

Except the discussion wasn't about the film. In your own words...

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Right from the start I paused it when he said to her "do they know I'm black", because when it showed this movie was set in the modern day, it made me ask 'why would he need to ask her that question?', this movie did nothing to establish the setting, just an all american suburb, so why would he ask something like that? That be like my boyfriend asking me "does your mum know I'm german" before he meet her.

I responded to why asking that question in, "Modern day... all american suburb" would make perfect sense, and from there you just continued to throw a hissy fit any time evidence showing why that would be a valid question was brought up. That has nothing to do with the plot of the movie and you damn well know it, indicated both by just simple common sense and also how you went out of your way a few sentences earlier to make a point that this movie was possibly trying to make real world commentary.

If we want to say it's within the context of the movie, than you might as well be bitching about, "Why do they live in houses? The movie hasn't told me why they live in houses! What a stupid movie!". I'm not annoyed by you disliking a movie I have never seen, I am annoyed by you intentionally acting like a 8 year old when anyone tries to educate you about something you are ignorant about. And I am annoyed by you acting like this is about the movie when we both know god damn well that it's not, otherwise you wouldn't have gone out of your way to make a political statement several times in your post. Either it is only about the movie or it isn't; you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. I'm sorry if that annoys you snowflake, but you aren't special and exempt from being called out when you don't like reality disagreeing with your agenda.

Look, it would be one thing if you were to just say, "I disagree. You're stupid.". I could respect that. But what your doing here is literally arguing like a kindergardener saying, "Nuh uh! Nuh uh! Nuh uh!" which is really pathetic for a grown ass man to be doing.

I'm trying to do you a favour, mate. That... or let you continue to shoot yourself in the foot so no one has any inclination to take the hateful things you tend to say seriously since they all know you are full of it. It's a win-win situation for me, and it could be a winning situation for you as well if you would get over yourself for five seconds and just admit you didn't know that about American culture.
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Online Baruch

Oh my, Baruch, that is an entirely different subject.  I don't "like" you because I don't like you.  You are a trollish pest who adds little to the Board discussion.  But there you are and I am here and bored.  I would much rather talk to ALMOST anyone else.

But you aren't the DUMBEST theist I've even met, so...

But really, no I don't care about your "likes" to my posts in the least.  It almost insults me.  Let that relieve you from any feeling of obligation.

And you are very much like the DMV clerk from hell ... not that I mind that.  And no, I didn't think you had changed your opinions.
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Online Baruch

Shiranu ... do you think every hateful movie proves how awful people are, or just when it is dismissive of Americans?
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Offline Shiranu (OP)

Shiranu ... do you think every hateful movie proves how awful people are, or just when it is dismissive of Americans?

I cant say I have watched very many if any hateful movies, nor even know of many, so I don't feel comfortable or qualified in answering that one way or another.
“Life isn't long enough to enjoy and understand all at the same time. You have to decide which is more important." - Pedro Juan Gutierrez

"Too much sanity may be madness and the maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it should be." - Miguel de Cervantes