FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry

[Drew_2017]

Except there is literally fucking not. The only way you can say there are, "two-sides" is if you are saying, "Yes, there were two sides... the Nazi side, and the White supremacist side" or, "The nazi side and literally every other fucking human being that finds Nazi's unacceptable.".

Did those two sides clash and cause the melee? Or was there another group they had a conflict with?

[Shiranu]

The charge of racism is like the accusation of committing child abuse once charged guilt is assumed unless proven otherwise.

Correction: The charge of racism, as directed at Trump, is like the accusation of committing child abuse after being caught on camera beating the living shit out of your two children as well as their mother for the lawls and bragging about it on national T.V. to get child abusers to vote for him and then refusing to condemn an organization that's entire political statement is, "We Will Beat Little Children!".

The difference between our two is kinda subtle, but it's there if you take a closer look at it.

Trump will be a racist from now on in the minds of most on the left actions and words irrelevant.

Your right, actions and words are irrelevant to one of the many sides, many sides.

Actions like being sued twice by the State Department for racist business practices directed at African American customers are irrelevant.
Actions like refusing to condemn white supremacist groups and renouncing their votes when they state they are voting for him because his views protect their interests when candidates like Bush Jr., Dole, Reagan did without even having those groups show support towards them are irrelevant.
Actions like questioning rather Obama is "really" American because of the colour of his skin are irrelevant.
Statements like, "The Mexicans that are coming over are rapists and criminals, and I'm sure some of them are good people, but the majority..." are irrelevant.
Statements like saying a judge won't treat him fairly because, "He is Mexican.", even though he was born and raised in Indiana and has fought tooth and nail against drug cartels are irrelevant.
Words, the inability to say anything other than, "The Blacks", "The Hispanics", "The Muslims" as if they are a monolithic group are irrelevant.
Words like, "Those Indians  don't look like Indians" in reference to Native Americans on a reservation protesting a Trump Casino being built on it are irrelevant.
Actions like believing, to this day, that the Central Park Five (5 people of colour wrongfully accused of rape and murder) are guilty after DNA testing exonerated them are irrelevant.
Words like saying, "Maybe that protester should have been roughed up more.", about a BLM protester being assaulted by a white crowd are irrelevant.
Words like saying that two men who severely beat a Latino man in his name, were just, "Very passionate, they want this country to be great again. They are very passionate." are irrelevant.
Words like literally every fucking thing he said at the Jewish Republican Convention, from stereotype after stereotype of the "Businessman Jew", are irrelevant.
Actions like sharing a white supremacist meme against Hillary Clinton, again using anti-Semitic rhetoric and imagery, a week after the meme first appeared on white supremacist forums, are irrelevant.
Actions like using the token African American at speech after speech to prove, "Hey, look! There's my African American! (<---- his direct words, said several times at several rallies) I'm clearly not racist!" are irrelevant.
Words like saying, "Jeb Bush has to like the Mexicans because he is married to one!" are irrelevant.
Words like saying, "Jeb Bush is crazy. Who cares if he speaks Mexican, this is America!" are irrelevant.

[Shiranu]

Did those two sides clash and cause the melee?

Dude, what the actual fuck are you talking about? The melee? You mean the melee of Heather Heyer's head slamming against the car plowing through the crowd?

What the actual fuck?

Or was there another group they had a conflict with?

NO, THERE WASN'T, YOU ARE LITERALLY TRYING TO DEFEND DOMESTIC TERRORISM FROM WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND NAZIS THROUGH DEFLECTION OF THEIR BLAME.

[Mike Cl]

Open minded and peace loving sure... but not open minded to the point my brain falls out. There is a certain line that gets drawn, and when that line involves slamming one's head against a brick wall that is spewing excuses for bigotry and neo-Nazis, sometimes it's healthier to sit back and say, "Wow, that wall is a fucking moron."

Sure, sure... it means I am not a 100% dyed-in-the-wool peaceful little Buddha or Jesus, but that is a cross I suppose I will just have to bear. Saves me a bit of a headache.

Except there is literally fucking not. The only way you can say there are, "two-sides" is if you are saying, "Yes, there were two sides... the Nazi side, and the White supremacist side" or, "The nazi side and literally every other fucking human being that finds Nazi's unacceptable.".

If you want to argue the second one, have at it... but just be prepared for literally everyone who is not a neo-Nazi or white supremacist to call you on it, my special little snowflake.

Except statistically they are. This is not even recent knowledge, that's pretty much common knowledge for basically all of human history that if you are raised a certain way you will behave, statistically speaking, in a similar way to how you were raised.

Trump has shown time and time again that his a racist bigot, and I don't agree Mike CI on one thing... there is no question about it, he is a full-fledged racist. You cannot say, "Mexicans are rapists and criminals, though I am sure some of them are good people...", using a woman grieving over her sons death (who died fighting for the Marines) to take a stab at Muslims, saying that a judge cant fairly judge him because, quote, "He is a Mexican.", who has been sued multiple times by the State for racist business practices against African Americans, who refuses to denounce white supremacists who supported him like basically every other Republican president has... I'm sorry, you just cant argue that he isn't a racist.

His actions have spoken loud and clear for his whole life. The fact that we are even having a debate on, "Is Trump a racist?" or "Are Neo-Nazis and white supremacists REAAAAALY to blame?" is fucking... honestly, there are not words in the English language that can accurately convey just how fucking crazy it is that we have to have this "debate". There should be scientific studies into how the alt-right can get people to shove their head so far up their own asses to start making excuses for Nazis and white supremacists, because they discovered some type of miracle drug or something.


I'll say it one more time in big, black letters to see if I can help it sink in to at least one of yall... THIS IS NOT A LEFT-VS-RIGHT ISSUE, LITERALLY EVERYONE FROM DEMOCRATS TO REPUBLICANS TO LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE CONDEMNING HIM FOR WHAT HE SAID. LITERALLY THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO APPROVE OF IT AS A WHOLE ARE THE NEO-NAZIS, WHITE SUPREMACISTS, AND THE ALT RIGHT. WHEN YOU ARGUE IN FAVOUR OF IT, JUST REALISE WHO IT IS YOU ARE SIDING WITH, AND DON'T ACT LIKE SUCH A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE CUCK WHEN YOU GET CALLED ON IT.

Shiranu, I do think Trump is a bigot and racist.  Have thought so for years.

[Mike Cl]

Did those two sides clash and cause the melee? Or was there another group they had a conflict with?

Knowing you are a theist, I should not be surprised you side with the neo-nazis and white supermists.   You think they represent a legit 'side'.  Just what is it that causes you to be attracted to that 'side'?  Are you attracted to their message?  So, in this case, the neo-nazis are not a 'side'.  The people showing up to protest their being there is the only legit side there is.

[Baruch]

Well ... I don't know President Trump, personally.  So I actually don't know his real opinion on anything.  Though he has said some things, but I don't believe a politician when their mouth is open.  I also don't know any KKK folk personally.  I also don't know any anti-Fa personally.  For all I know, they help little old ladies cross the street.  I do see plenty of political ideology masquerading as virtue signaling ... on this forum, but it is what it is.

[randomvim]

This is what he said on Sat:

"President Trump blamed both sides.

In a statement read before a scheduled bill signing for the Department of Veterans Affairs, he did everything but say “All Lives Matter” to avoid talking about who had perpetrated the violence. And he left plenty of opportunity for people who are inclined to assume that the problem lay with counterprotesters to do just that.

Here is how the president began his statement:

We're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.

It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America.

What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.
This is not just a failure to condemn the white nationalists who were responsible for the bulk of the violence and disorder in Charlottesville with the same vehemence that Trump condemns “radical Islamic terrorism” during any attack of any size in the US or abroad. "

There are no 'many sides'.  There are two sides.  Neo-nazis, KKK, etc. and those protesting what those groups.  In fact, there really is only one side--those who protest what those hate groups preach, say and chant.  He failed to acknowledge that those groups really have no legit place in our society.  If he isn't a full fledged racist, he sure is not against getting their votes.

1. lets get this straight. there is no "bulk" of violence. the most agressive and damaging attack committed that day was by a nazi: obviously. however there are plenty of videos online that demonstrate the wrong on "both sides."

from throwing balloons of piss and poop ( only "counter protesters" did this) to throwing rocks and bricks - to the slug fest that required two groups to be considered a brawl.

denounce it all... dont name the scum who just murdered someone. thats an on going investigation as well. cant name the one person to blame at that given moment - so look at all the violence instead of some or one part of the violence.

2. so what happens when you name  one side vs the other? you ignore violence that still is immoral. violence that didnt need to be present.

if only two groups were stated: nazi vs. antifa. you miss those unassociated with a group who may have still caused harm to another citizen.

3. compare and contrast.
highlighting radical islam is to contrast groups of people that share similar beliefs. if you say "muslims" then you paint a wide brush that steriotypes everyone into one group. that issue is not present here.

it also identifies a single type of terrorist act.

4. no many sides? good number of vids online show such a statement is false. logic dictates there would be and should be many sides as well. not everyone is associated with a political group.

this denial is part of the issue. which allows violence by those who are not "bad guy" but everyone turns into a bad guy when you use your fist instead of intellect due to political differences.  really though. no one is better than a nazi if you have to relly on fists or weapon.




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[Baruch]

Here is what I think is ugly ... if a anti-Fa had run over a KKK with a car ... the response would be different.  Some people are more equal than others, and you are judged without trial in the US.  All part of .. there are no Americans anymore, just Europeans or other nationalities who happen to be here in the US.

[Cavebear]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/15/donald-trump-charlottesville-press-conference-newt-gingrich-reacts


Reminder: This is the number one watched news station in the world, defending someone for defending Nazism and White Supremacy.

Remind me again, where are the major Regressive Left, Cultural Marxist news outlets defending Antifa? Where is Antifa so ingrained into American society that the highest leader electable in their region is actively supporting their ideology?

Oh, right, the alt-right is once again full of shit and hatred. Surprising.

Fox news doesn't exist in my life.  I don't watch it any more than I watch those fake reality shows and those prison shows and those police shows.  I know the difference between real news and fake news.

And, no, the difference isn't between what I agree or disagree with.  It is the difference between researched news, fact-checked and showing day/date/time/source, versus unsubstantiated claims spoken only with fervor.

[randomvim]

Oh, right, he didn't defend them. My bad. He has only repeatedly made racist remarks about the African American community as a whole as well as attacks against Obama's "legitimacy" as an American because of his skin colour, been accused of racist business practices, and made excuses for white supremacists after they murdered an American citizen.

Totally different.

Agreed. The problem is when a person says, "White supremacists, what you did was bad but let's be fair... the other side made you do it." after white supremacists drove a vehicle into a crowd of peaceful protesters murdering one and injuring many more. That isn't calling out multiple people for violence, that is making excuses for a violent side committing violent acts against a passive side.

Yes! YES! Exactly!

The problem is Trump DIDN'T DO THAT. Instead of focusing on the violence itself, the violence that a white supremacist did in the name of white supremacy, he said that both sides were to blame. Yes, there were bad seeds on the left (my god, Shiranu said waaaaaaaaht?), but that doesn't fucking matter when a neo-Nazi commits an act of terrorism on innocent peaceful protesters. There is a time and place for anything, and that is the time and place for the president to put his own political agendas and bigotry aside and be the statesman of the American people.

Not the Republicans, not the Democrats, not the left, right, centre, gay, straight, black, white... the American people. You saw Obama do it, and to be fair you saw Bush Jr. & Sr., Reagan, etc. do it. What Trump did was completely and utterly abnormal and abhorrent to everything the office stands for by both refusing to take a firm stance against the party that committed an act of terror on American soil and instead of being the statesman that brings everyone together... he took a stance of trying to even further divide the American people and make it "us vs them".

Again, you are missing the point... it's not just that he didn't condemn the Nazis and white supremacists, which is literally the easiest fucking sentence you can ever utter ("Nazis are bad."), he continuously brooded over it and threw a hissy fit when a written speech was forced to be read... and then two days later went back to blaming the victims.

Not being able to say, "Nazis are terrible human beings and this act of violence by a Nazi is completely and utterly reprehensible", which is in itself fucking horrifying for a president to not be able to say without having his arm twisted by literally the entire United States besides the neo-Nazis, is only part of the problem... it's the fact that he doubled, and then tripled down on blaming the victims.

There are several reasons for that...

A. Antifa didn't commit an act of domestic terrorism leaving one American dead and several others injured.
B. Antifa is not an organization like the various neo-Nazi groups and KKK Chapters that attended Charlottesville and have marches planned on other American cities as well. Antifa is more "grass-roots" and is not an organization with a set goal but rather an umbrella term for various far-left groups that commit acts of violence against far-right protesters.
C. The Antifa numbers are pathetically small compared to the number of far-right bigots that showed up.

Additionally, major news outlets like CNN and MSNBC have reported Antifa attacks, and both of those are considered "left-wing" by Americans (though in terms of actual left-right politics, they are central at best if not right-wing leaning), so that entire premise is bunk anyways. And the majority of American's believe that both sides are to blame, according to recent surveys, so I'm not sure the media covering them is relevant anyways.

But on the topic of both sides being to blame, lets take a look at the actually numbers shall we?

According to the ADL's Center on Extremism, of the 372 Americans killed by domestic terrorists, 72% (268) of them were killed by right-wing extremists and only 2% (7) were killed by left-wing extremists (none of which were Antifa). So to act like they are in any way, shape, or form relatable is simply a lie. And if you hate lies so much, then I expect to see you retracting the Antifa blame in a post or so.

Mine either.

1. repeatedly made racist remarks? what remarks!? ive seen none for the whole year. personally a person's past doesnt need to be their present either. I know of a musician who helped at least 25 kkk members turn on their hateful past.  if you wish to put a list up. go ahead, but please leave it to the year to keep it simple. if what you speak of is true, then should be easy.

1b. oh by! the whole stupid remark about obama not being born in us. was brought up by a democrat during the democrat race for presidency ... trump then supported this claim when he was supporting Hillary  beyond that, its not even racist to say a person is not born in the US! many spoke about it during arnolds run as governor in california.

2. no where has trump said, "the other side made you do it." I have not heard anyone even consider that except for a nazi on 20/20. again we are looking at words that have already been quoted on this thread. Trump denounced violence on both sides. no where does that imply the meaning or intent for the violence. nor does it consider that any person, including the merderous fool, was "made" to act violent.

3. blaming the victim?  no where has trump ever stated that the woman who got hit is at fault! he did not identify her as being violent either.
quote please.

4. a.b.c. all these explainations are excuses. if you dont like nazis then dont make excuses for groups that commit crimes and have attacked people because they are unable to articulate or persuade. 

terrorism doesnt need to have someone die in order to be referred to as terrorism. an easy arguement could be made that antifa has done just that. still the issue is not what we consider a violent act to be called. the problem is thinking its okay to result to violence because someone else opposes your political view ( which antifa does). that threatens liberty in a society as well.

point c. doesnt matter either. every group starts small. their actions should still be scruitinized and denounced if violent. (which they are).

5. if america believes both sides are to blame. then blame both sides and dont complain when our president voices the same object just because he is trump. this statement takes away from everything else you just said.

oh but what about stats? you just claimed neo nazi are larger organization than antifa. a new and small group wont have same numbers as compared to
..... all domestic terrorism ever?


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[Blackleaf]

Here is what I think is ugly ... if a anti-Fa had run over a KKK with a car ... the response would be different.  Some people are more equal than others, and you are judged without trial in the US.  All part of .. there are no Americans anymore, just Europeans or other nationalities who happen to be here in the US.

I absolutely agree with that. If the roles were reversed, Fox News would not be making any excuses for terrorism. But it just so happens that the attacker was on their side, so they want to hide behind excuses to save face. But really, something people on the Right should consider is if Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan are on their side, are they on the right side? If I had to choose between SJWs and Nazis, I'll go with the side that isn't responsible for taking millions of innocent lives.

[pr126]

We are being played

It’s well-known that the Communists and “anti-fascists” who hit the streets for events like this one are being organized and directed from a higher level. They’re put on buses, driven to the venue, handed signs and banners, and given an itinerary and general instructions on what to do. Some of them are paid a per-diem for their participation. They act as the foot soldiers â€" and in this case, the cannon fodder â€" for the regional and local affiliates of the Globalist Left. Their directors and manipulators are “community organizers” à la Barack Hussein Obama. The leaders are cynical, hardened acolytes of Saul Alinsky, dedicated to inflicting the maximum possible damage to the cultural infrastructure of the oppressive capitalist patriarchy.

That’s how those Antifa banners and hammer-and-sickle flags ended up marching down Market Street by the library Saturday morning. Violence was not an unfortunate byproduct of the resulting confrontation; it was the intended outcome (see the Z Blog for more).

The police were ordered to stand down and let the Yin and Yang come together to grapple their eternal combat at the entrance to Lee Park. Blood on faces, blood on the streets, blood on the hood of a car â€" that was the preferred outcome.

The chief of police was acting on orders from Michael Signer, the mayor of Charlottesville, who is the sort of lefty you’d expect to be elected mayor of Berkeley East. But the mayor himself was taking his cues from higher up the food chain, beyond even Terry McAuliffe, the current governor of the Commonwealth (and also a former DNC chair and former campaign manager for Bill Clinton).

The Left’s organizers and manipulators got exactly what they wanted on August 12. Immense damage was inflicted on the #UniteTheRight meme-brand. They got a photogenic martyr for the cause. They got an abominable extreme “right-winger” as a villain to be deplored, excoriated, and repudiated from now until the sun turns into a cinder. And they were handed a glorious opportunity to give President Trump yet another poke in the eye.

Yes, last Saturday was a red-letter day for the Left. But what about the Right? What were they doing there? How were they so easily manipulated into doing grave damage to their own cause?

That’s a harder question to answer…

Nowadays it’s difficult simply to describe the process of events, because one is required to denounce and repudiate one ideological faction and affirm the other. Plain, factual, neutrally-worded discussion is generally not permitted. If I don’t explicitly denounce badthink, why, then obviously I must be in favor of it!

[Cavebear]

When Trump says the two sides are equal in violence and hate, he states a routine false equivalency.  The Alt Right supports the statues of Confederates only because they know they can't get statues of Hitler erected.  We erect statues to people for what they have done in history that support our national ideals. 

Lee did not support our national ideals.  One might as well erect a statue to Benedict Arnold  (who, BTW, the British sent to India because they didn't trust him...

And most of the Confederacy statues were erected by KKK groups in times of their ascendancy during the 1920s Jim Crow laws and anti Civil Rights efforts.  That was hardly Civil War recognition.

[Blackleaf]

We are being played

You actually believe this conspiracy theory nonsense? A group of leaders with a history of hate came together in one place and united others in their hatred. It's as simple as that.

[Cavebear]

You actually believe this conspiracy theory nonsense? A group of leaders with a history of hate came together in one place and united others in their hatred. It's as simple as that.

The fanatic rightists HAVE to think there are equally fanatic leftists to oppose.  I'm glad there aren't.  It is a lot easier to deal with one insane group than 2.