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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2017, 01:39:29 PM »
Not forgetting the Russian hackers!
that hacked emails to preach to the crior, but not the electoral system to cause fraud and false votes?

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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2017, 01:55:10 PM »
And now, something completely different.

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Offline Drew_2017

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2017, 03:49:17 PM »
I would like to crown you the King of the SFA's!  That makes you royalty among Amerka's ruling group.  You posts show that you will revel in it.  (SFA=Stupid Fucking Amerkian)

As I said out of intellectual steam just anger left...reduced to insulting which takes no brains.
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Offline Drew_2017

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2017, 04:14:25 PM »
and the hatred of Trump comes from him being less intelligent than a fourth grader.


Trump won the electoral college because the states committed the crime of making electors vote for the winner of their state. Completely goes against the intention and design of the founders. It was designed specifically to keep idiots like Trump from becoming president.

The design of the founders was to prevent the presidency from being decided by a handful of states. Hasn't stopped Dems or Repubs from winning.
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Offline Drew_2017

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2017, 04:30:20 PM »
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I'll try to put this in simple words, so it can maybe sink in...
You need to go fuck yourself in the ass with a molten pineapple.
I realise starting off with an insulting remark is not the way to win people over, but let's be honest...

Not at all its what I've come to expect from people who claim to be open minded, peace loving reasonable and rational people who love all humans...

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1 American was left dead by a terrorist attack committed by white supremacists and neo-Nazis. 20-some Americans were left injured in a terrorist attack committed by white supremacists and neo-Nazis. The president of the United States of America began by blaming the victims of that terrorist attack and refused to even say who committed this act of terror, and only said their name two days later after arm-twisting by his own staff. Then he goes back a day or two later and again blames the victims of a terrorist attack literally committed by fucking Nazis.

Maybe you can focus after drinking so much kool-aid. My comments were in reference to the outrage over Trumps initial comments about the riot that he didn't specifically name Nazi's or White Supremacists. He should have, if he was politically astute he would have but he didn't until later. He is accurate though, there is more than one side to the event.

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You are really still salty about your candidate losing the popular vote, even when Hillary fucked up and didn't campaign in swing states? 

I was as shocked as anyone that Trump won. The presidency is a states sweepstakes. The popular vote is superfluous.
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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2017, 05:05:29 PM »
I didnt vote for Trump. wish for another person to be president. But I detest the lie about him defending racists.

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Well, then, you can stop 'detesting' for it is not a lie that he supports and has supported and encouraged racists. 
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2017, 06:29:41 PM »
The design of the founders was to prevent the presidency from being decided by a handful of states. Hasn't stopped Dems or Repubs from winning.

We know what they want to replace the EC with, if they lose the majority vote next time ... Only one state can vote ... California.  Anyone in California can vote, even non-US citizens, provided that they are all registered Democrats ;-)
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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2017, 06:30:58 PM »
Well, then, you can stop 'detesting' for it is not a lie that he supports and has supported and encouraged racists.

All true Americans do ... you either hate Whites, hate Blacks, hate Hispanics etc take your damn pick.  And George Washington kept slaves so .. nuke Mt Rushmore.  In Socialist utopia, comrade ... you are free to think as the party tells you to think, speak or write as the party tells you to speak or write (see Faceplant and Giggie) etc because anything the party doesn't like is hate speech, and we can't have that.  I hate R values, I hate D values (but not the misguided people).  So arrest me, comrades!

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2014/10/19/24-types-of-authoritarian/

R and D are both authoritarian, both virtue signal in opposite ways, both are assholes.
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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2017, 07:05:02 PM »
Well, then, you can stop 'detesting' for it is not a lie that he supports and has supported and encouraged racists.
then prove how the president's recent comments against violence is an open invitation for racists like that libral news groups claimed, that so many who already hated trump claim.

back up the claim with evidence.

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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2017, 07:39:40 PM »
then prove how the president's recent comments against violence is an open invitation for racists like that libral news groups claimed, that so many who already hated trump claim.

back up the claim with evidence.

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I'm not going to take the time, effort or energy to reach back all the way to '27 when his daddy was arrested at a KKK ralley, to all the things he has said and done during his life, nor in the last two years in the political spotlight--read that shit for yourself.  And look at the people he has surrounded himself with.  He embraces the Alt-right as part of his base.  It is very clear whose support he curries and wants.  Are you so smitten with the Donald that you buy his daily lies???
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2017, 08:05:08 PM »
I'm not going to take the time, effort or energy to reach back all the way to '27 when his daddy was arrested at a KKK ralley, to all the things he has said and done during his life, nor in the last two years in the political spotlight--read that shit for yourself.  And look at the people he has surrounded himself with.  He embraces the Alt-right as part of his base.  It is very clear whose support he curries and wants.  Are you so smitten with the Donald that you buy his daily lies???
1. no man is the same as their father. comparing his dad's mistakes and holding that as "proof" that trump must think the same is inadequate.

2. past two years? Im asking about current. the confrence right after that stupid attack in Va. Looking at his words, which did not highlight any organization and condemned all violence which was present that day. how do those words express racism?

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Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2017, 09:19:28 PM »
1. no man is the same as their father. comparing his dad's mistakes and holding that as "proof" that trump must think the same is inadequate.

2. past two years? Im asking about current. the confrence right after that stupid attack in Va. Looking at his words, which did not highlight any organization and condemned all violence which was present that day. how do those words express racism?

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This is what he said on Sat:

"President Trump blamed both sides.

In a statement read before a scheduled bill signing for the Department of Veterans Affairs, he did everything but say “All Lives Matter” to avoid talking about who had perpetrated the violence. And he left plenty of opportunity for people who are inclined to assume that the problem lay with counterprotesters to do just that.

Here is how the president began his statement:

We're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.

It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America.

What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.
This is not just a failure to condemn the white nationalists who were responsible for the bulk of the violence and disorder in Charlottesville with the same vehemence that Trump condemns “radical Islamic terrorism” during any attack of any size in the US or abroad. "

There are no 'many sides'.  There are two sides.  Neo-nazis, KKK, etc. and those protesting what those groups.  In fact, there really is only one side--those who protest what those hate groups preach, say and chant.  He failed to acknowledge that those groups really have no legit place in our society.  If he isn't a full fledged racist, he sure is not against getting their votes.
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Shiranu (OP)

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2017, 09:23:31 PM »
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I didnt vote for Trump. wish for another person to be president. But I detest the lie about him defending racists.

Oh, right, he didn't defend them. My bad. He has only repeatedly made racist remarks about the African American community as a whole as well as attacks against Obama's "legitimacy" as an American because of his skin colour, been accused of racist business practices, and made excuses for white supremacists after they murdered an American citizen.

Totally different.

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A person calling out multiple peoples for violence w/o naming a titled organization does not and can not mean support of a single organization.

Agreed. The problem is when a person says, "White supremacists, what you did was bad but let's be fair... the other side made you do it." after white supremacists drove a vehicle into a crowd of peaceful protesters murdering one and injuring many more. That isn't calling out multiple people for violence, that is making excuses for a violent side committing violent acts against a passive side.

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Instead, focusing on the violence itself and denouncing political violence was and always will be the right course to take.

Yes! YES! Exactly!

The problem is Trump DIDN'T DO THAT. Instead of focusing on the violence itself, the violence that a white supremacist did in the name of white supremacy, he said that both sides were to blame. Yes, there were bad seeds on the left (my god, Shiranu said waaaaaaaaht?), but that doesn't fucking matter when a neo-Nazi commits an act of terrorism on innocent peaceful protesters. There is a time and place for anything, and that is the time and place for the president to put his own political agendas and bigotry aside and be the statesman of the American people.

Not the Republicans, not the Democrats, not the left, right, centre, gay, straight, black, white... the American people. You saw Obama do it, and to be fair you saw Bush Jr. & Sr., Reagan, etc. do it. What Trump did was completely and utterly abnormal and abhorrent to everything the office stands for by both refusing to take a firm stance against the party that committed an act of terror on American soil and instead of being the statesman that brings everyone together... he took a stance of trying to even further divide the American people and make it "us vs them".

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Otherwise, if not mentioning an organization by name some how equates to support.

Again, you are missing the point... it's not just that he didn't condemn the Nazis and white supremacists, which is literally the easiest fucking sentence you can ever utter ("Nazis are bad."), he continuously brooded over it and threw a hissy fit when a written speech was forced to be read... and then two days later went back to blaming the victims.

Not being able to say, "Nazis are terrible human beings and this act of violence by a Nazi is completely and utterly reprehensible", which is in itself fucking horrifying for a president to not be able to say without having his arm twisted by literally the entire United States besides the neo-Nazis, is only part of the problem... it's the fact that he doubled, and then tripled down on blaming the victims.

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then there are several news outlets that have ignored and failed to call out antifa or any person who has vandalized, rioted, and stolen.

There are several reasons for that...

A. Antifa didn't commit an act of domestic terrorism leaving one American dead and several others injured.
B. Antifa is not an organization like the various neo-Nazi groups and KKK Chapters that attended Charlottesville and have marches planned on other American cities as well. Antifa is more "grass-roots" and is not an organization with a set goal but rather an umbrella term for various far-left groups that commit acts of violence against far-right protesters.
C. The Antifa numbers are pathetically small compared to the number of far-right bigots that showed up.

Additionally, major news outlets like CNN and MSNBC have reported Antifa attacks, and both of those are considered "left-wing" by Americans (though in terms of actual left-right politics, they are central at best if not right-wing leaning), so that entire premise is bunk anyways. And the majority of American's believe that both sides are to blame, according to recent surveys, so I'm not sure the media covering them is relevant anyways.

But on the topic of both sides being to blame, lets take a look at the actually numbers shall we?

According to the ADL's Center on Extremism, of the 372 Americans killed by domestic terrorists, 72% (268) of them were killed by right-wing extremists and only 2% (7) were killed by left-wing extremists (none of which were Antifa). So to act like they are in any way, shape, or form relatable is simply a lie. And if you hate lies so much, then I expect to see you retracting the Antifa blame in a post or so.

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Offline Shiranu (OP)

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2017, 09:37:04 PM »
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Not at all its what I've come to expect from people who claim to be open minded, peace loving reasonable and rational people who love all humans...

Open minded and peace loving sure... but not open minded to the point my brain falls out. There is a certain line that gets drawn, and when that line involves slamming one's head against a brick wall that is spewing excuses for bigotry and neo-Nazis, sometimes it's healthier to sit back and say, "Wow, that wall is a fucking moron."

Sure, sure... it means I am not a 100% dyed-in-the-wool peaceful little Buddha or Jesus, but that is a cross I suppose I will just have to bear. Saves me a bit of a headache.

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Maybe you can focus after drinking so much kool-aid. My comments were in reference to the outrage over Trumps initial comments about the riot that he didn't specifically name Nazi's or White Supremacists. He should have, if he was politically astute he would have but he didn't until later. He is accurate though, there is more than one side to the event.

Except there is literally fucking not. The only way you can say there are, "two-sides" is if you are saying, "Yes, there were two sides... the Nazi side, and the White supremacist side" or, "The nazi side and literally every other fucking human being that finds Nazi's unacceptable.".

If you want to argue the second one, have at it... but just be prepared for literally everyone who is not a neo-Nazi or white supremacist to call you on it, my special little snowflake.

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1. no man is the same as their father. comparing his dad's mistakes and holding that as "proof" that trump must think the same is inadequate.

Except statistically they are. This is not even recent knowledge, that's pretty much common knowledge for basically all of human history that if you are raised a certain way you will behave, statistically speaking, in a similar way to how you were raised.

Trump has shown time and time again that his a racist bigot, and I don't agree Mike CI on one thing... there is no question about it, he is a full-fledged racist. You cannot say, "Mexicans are rapists and criminals, though I am sure some of them are good people...", using a woman grieving over her sons death (who died fighting for the Marines) to take a stab at Muslims, saying that a judge cant fairly judge him because, quote, "He is a Mexican.", who has been sued multiple times by the State for racist business practices against African Americans, who refuses to denounce white supremacists who supported him like basically every other Republican president has... I'm sorry, you just cant argue that he isn't a racist.

His actions have spoken loud and clear for his whole life. The fact that we are even having a debate on, "Is Trump a racist?" or "Are Neo-Nazis and white supremacists REAAAAALY to blame?" is fucking... honestly, there are not words in the English language that can accurately convey just how fucking crazy it is that we have to have this "debate". There should be scientific studies into how the alt-right can get people to shove their head so far up their own asses to start making excuses for Nazis and white supremacists, because they discovered some type of miracle drug or something.


I'll say it one more time in big, black letters to see if I can help it sink in to at least one of yall... THIS IS NOT A LEFT-VS-RIGHT ISSUE, LITERALLY EVERYONE FROM DEMOCRATS TO REPUBLICANS TO LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE CONDEMNING HIM FOR WHAT HE SAID. LITERALLY THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO APPROVE OF IT AS A WHOLE ARE THE NEO-NAZIS, WHITE SUPREMACISTS, AND THE ALT RIGHT. WHEN YOU ARGUE IN FAVOUR OF IT, JUST REALISE WHO IT IS YOU ARE SIDING WITH, AND DON'T ACT LIKE SUCH A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE CUCK WHEN YOU GET CALLED ON IT.
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Offline Drew_2017

Re: FOX News Defends Trump's Defense of Nazis/White Supremacists/Bigotry
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2017, 09:39:48 PM »
The charge of racism is like the accusation of committing child abuse once charged guilt is assumed unless proven otherwise. It used to be you could tar and feather someone by calling them a liar but lying is synonymous with being a politician either party.

Trump will be a racist from now on in the minds of most on the left actions and words irrelevant. The left should be careful they may get what they ask; Pence could be more effective getting Trumps agenda through than Trump. 

   
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