Author Topic: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?  (Read 320 times)

Offline fencerider (OP)

Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« on: August 16, 2017, 09:03:29 PM »
Summary: A small dinosaur the size of a kangaroo has been under study since it was discovered in Chile. - named Chilesaurus. Because it resembles a velociraptor, initial assessment placed it as a relative of therapod. After study began it became obvious this dinosaur is a vegetarian. Scientists started finding features of ornithischia, but also found features of therapod. After careful observation the scientists have come to the conclusion that Chilesaurus is a hybrid of therapod and ornithischia.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/16/most-bizarre-dinosaur-ever-found-is-missing-evolutionary-link-chilesaurus


Alright I admit I'm not up to speed on my dinosaur types, but I hope the people that are find this interesting...
Would you like to play with my invisible friend? HE can give you anything that you want. All you have to do is ask HIM

Offline Baruch

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2017, 09:07:03 PM »
Yes, must be a missing link, because I don't see convergent evolution making a hybrid between the two dinosaur orders.  Unless it was really trans ... it was a T-Rex trapped in the body of a Stegasaurus ;-)

Chilesaurus ... probably had an evolutionary advantage, its flesh was too spicy for most predators ;-)
שלום

Online Mr.Obvious

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 02:11:13 AM »
The way I understand it, every fossil out there is a 'missing link', no?
E = Mc²

In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Offline Cavebear

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 04:30:42 AM »
Not a hybrid.  Just as among the original plant-eaters, some became carnivores, it can go the other way too.  Hybrid implies a species meld.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Offline Baruch

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2017, 07:37:42 AM »
The way I understand it, every fossil out there is a 'missing link', no?

Like all people are equal, but some are more equal than others ... all fossils are missing links, but some are more missing that others.  Some aren't missing at all ... coelacanths.
שלום

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2017, 07:41:11 AM »
It may be a "hybrid" of the characteristics of the two dinos, but they didn't make whoopee.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2017, 08:33:21 AM »
It may be a "hybrid" of the characteristics of the two dinos, but they didn't make whoopee.

No, 2 planteaters don't suddenly make a carnivore.  But at least one carnivore became a vegetarian.

TUESDAY, Aug. 15, 2017 (HealthDay News) -- A odd-looking vegetarian dinosaur named Chilesaurus could be the "missing link" between the plant eaters and meat eaters of its time, researchers report.

The dinosaur, named after Chile, the country of its discovery, has mystified scientists. For instance, its head looks like that of a carnivore, but instead of sharp teeth it had the flat teeth that are typically used to chew plants.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2017, 08:37:24 AM »
No, 2 planteaters don't suddenly make a carnivore.  But at least one carnivore became a vegetarian.

TUESDAY, Aug. 15, 2017 (HealthDay News) -- A odd-looking vegetarian dinosaur named Chilesaurus could be the "missing link" between the plant eaters and meat eaters of its time, researchers report.

The dinosaur, named after Chile, the country of its discovery, has mystified scientists. For instance, its head looks like that of a carnivore, but instead of sharp teeth it had the flat teeth that are typically used to chew plants.
Yeah, but not by fucking a herbivore. That's what "hybrid" means. I wonder if the original paper used that term?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2017, 08:45:34 AM »
Yeah, but not by fucking a herbivore. That's what "hybrid" means. I wonder if the original paper used that term?

You are using "hybrid" wrongly.  Please stop.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2017, 06:45:35 PM »
You are using "hybrid" wrongly.  Please stop.
Please give me the official definition.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2017, 08:32:07 PM »
Please give me the official definition.
  A crossbreed of 2 related species of plants or animals that produce viable offspring.  The offspring themselves may or may not be fertile themselves but must at least be able to exist on their own.  A Liger is a hybrid of a lion and tiger.  The 2 cats are closely-enough related to produce a viable offspring thought they would generally not mate in the wild. 

Some genetic similarity is required.  You can't mate (at least not yet - but genetics advance every year) a cow and a camel, their common ancestry is too far apart  You can't mate any herbivore and carnivore I can think of.  THEIR ancestry is WAY far apart.

If you are thinking about humans, all humans are the same species and easily reproduce at will (and boy do they ever!  If you are thinking about dinosaurs, you can't have a tyranno-brontosaurus.  Their lines diverged about 220 million years ago. 

Does that help?



Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2017, 08:48:20 PM »
The OP said "hybrid". I was saying it isn't a hybrid. Problem?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2017, 02:15:07 AM »
The way I understand it, every fossil out there is a 'missing link', no?
Potentially.  Except the ones that go extinct before speciating.  A missing link  (aka transitional) is always recognized in hindsight.

The term missing link bugs me because it's presented as this huge problem for evolution.  But for every "missing" link that is found, you get two new "missing links".  And it's impossible to ever have complete records.  Fossils are snapshots in time and some people want to see the whole reel (which doesn't exist) before declaring that two photos could possibly be related.  It's idiotic.

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2017, 06:27:51 AM »
Potentially.  Except the ones that go extinct before speciating.  A missing link  (aka transitional) is always recognized in hindsight.

The term missing link bugs me because it's presented as this huge problem for evolution.  But for every "missing" link that is found, you get two new "missing links".  And it's impossible to ever have complete records.  Fossils are snapshots in time and some people want to see the whole reel (which doesn't exist) before declaring that two photos could possibly be related.  It's idiotic.
To have no missing links we just have to line up the skeletons of every single animal and plant that ever lived. Simple.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: Is recently discovered dinosaur a missing link?
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2017, 06:27:36 PM »
A missing link!? Don't tell Ken Ham, he may have a stroke!



On the other hand, go ahead and tell him.
God Not Found
"Never criticize someone unless you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then when you criticize him at least you'll be a mile away - and you'll have his shoes."
Ray Magliozzi
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted at all."