The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA

[Cavebear]

In a sense, okay.  Socialism was in the name of the Nazi party.  I knew that.  But it seems to me that the Nazi's were organized around race whereas socialism is usually based around class.

I understand your point.  Race and class orientation are different.  But both can be socialist.  In fact the major difference between Nazi and Soviet socialism was exactly that.  The Germans organized the distribution od the State's good to a racial view and the Soviets organized it to a class goal.  But both were doing the same thing GOVERNMENTALLY!

I didn't realize I was stepping into a hornets nest here.  A Nation is "socialist" regardless of who they are supporting so long as the goods being distributed are controlled by the Govt...  OK?

[randomvim]

The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police.  The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!

There IS a difference. 

You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead.  No skin off MY nose.  But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.

look into antifa online and you'll see th b.s. that has occured for past year or so. maybe longer, think some of these people jump from group to group.

on day of vehicle attack, ballons of fecises, piss, glue and purple dye are reported to have been thrown into national socialists group along with others who were either "reporting" on the event or there for other reasons.

heres a vid of non socialist/kkk individuals being attacked and surrounded.

https://youtu.be/kn2WyvtreO4


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[randomvim]

The National Socialists were statists, not socialists. Everything was for the good of the state, not the people. "Socialist" was added to the party name in the hope of confusing left-leaning people.

no records I have seen support that. 
National socialism is a type/brand of socialism which Germany alone is suggested to have established.

otherwise what statistics did these statists perform?

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[Cavebear]

thats the thing. everyone today is looking at the past with eyes of thw present. except today we say, " united states is" instead of "united states are." thats due in thanks, unfortuantely, civil war.

Congratulations for watching Ken Burns' The Civil War"  As a student of the US Civil War, I really do understand that one major overall social change was that "are" and "is.  States became less important.

But that was already happening.  The railroads were giving people the freedom to move long distances easily.  Trade was less tied to rivers and regions.  Goods and foods became more widely available.  The nation was becoming more intergrated and that would have happened Civil War or not.

The damned Civil War really happened because the Southern States SAW they were losing the control over the Ntional Govt they had enjoyed since colonial times.

[Cavebear]

look into antifa online and you'll see th b.s. that has occured for past year or so. maybe longer, think some of these people jump from group to group.

on day of vehicle attack, ballons of fecises, piss, glue and purple dye are reported to have been thrown into national socialists group along with others who were either "reporting" on the event or there for other reasons.

heres a vid of non socialist/kkk individuals being attacked and surrounded.

https://youtu.be/kn2WyvtreO4


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We were watching different news.  I was watching fact-checked news from objective reporters.  My guess is that you watch a lot of Fox News.

[Cavebear]

look into antifa online and you'll see th b.s. that has occured for past year or so. maybe longer, think some of these people jump from group to group.

on day of vehicle attack, ballons of fecises, piss, glue and purple dye are reported to have been thrown into national socialists group along with others who were either "reporting" on the event or there for other reasons.

heres a vid of non socialist/kkk individuals being attacked and surrounded.

https://youtu.be/kn2WyvtreO4


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What on earth IS the Antifa?  I can't even find a reputable news source saying it even exists.  It seems to be a fear of the alt-right like that pizza place where Hillary Clinton supposedly trafficked children as sex slaves.

I need facts to respond to!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

no records I have seen support that. 
National socialism is a type/brand of socialism which Germany alone is suggested to have established.

otherwise what statistics did these statists perform?

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You want to unsoup that?

[Cavebear]

What on earth IS the Antifa?  I can't even find a reputable news source saying it even exists.  It seems to be a fear of the alt-right like that pizza place where Hillary Clinton supposedly trafficked children as sex slaves.

I need facts to respond to!

Oh carp, I just saw Faith Goldy's name on the video.  She just makes stuff up.  Get more real please!

[Cavebear]

You want to unsoup that?

Yeah, that was a Pullet Surprise bit of writing, wasn't it.  LOL!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Statists are people who put the state first, and not for the benefit of the people but for the success of the state.

[Cavebear]

Statists are people who put the state first, and not for the benefit of the people but for the success of the state.

I'll agree with that.  Both The Nazis and the Soviets did that.  Your point is?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'll agree with that.  Both The Nazis and the Soviets did that.  Your point is?

That's not socialism.

I started studying WWII the year Rise and Fall of the Third Reich came out. Since then I have had no suggestion that the Nazis were socialists. But maybe another 54 years will do the trick.

[Cavebear]

That's not socialism.

I started studying WWII the year Rise and Fall of the Third Reich came out. Since then I have had no suggestion that the Nazis were socialists. But maybe another 54 years will do the trick.

OK, first of all, there are not and have never been actual socialist societies since cities were formed.  Socialism would be a great form of government.  It just hasn't existed.

Now, that aside, the Nazis WERE socialist in a general way.  The government controlled all national production Owned by individual government-approved oligarchs, and the produced goods were provided to the supporters more than the non-supporters.

If you want,  I will agree they were a bit more capitalist that the Soviets, but not by a whole lot.

[Munch]

What on earth IS the Antifa? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Antifa is a far-left militant[2] political movement of autonomous, self-described anti-fascist groups in the United States.[3][4][5] The term is loosely used to refer to anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobia, as well as anarchist and anti-capitalist groups.[6] Unlike the traditional left, the over-riding aim of self-described Antifa groups is to oppose fascism. These groups are usually anti-government and anti-capitalist, and their methodologies are often perceived as more closely aligned with anarchists than the mainstream left.[2]
According to The Economist, the "word Antifa has its roots in Anti-Fascist Action, a name taken up by European political movements in the 1930s" and which was revived in the 1990s, particularly in Germany.[7][8] Peter Beinart writes that "In the late ’80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action, on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than fascism."[9] Antifa groups are known for militant protest tactics, including property damage and, sometimes, physical violence.[10][11][12][3] Antifa focuses more on fighting far-right ideology than encouraging pro-left policy.[2]

[Gawdzilla Sama]

OK, first of all, there are not and have never been actual socialist societies since cities were formed.  Socialism would be a great form of government.  It just hasn't existed.

Now, that aside, the Nazis WERE socialist in a general way.  The government controlled all national production Owned by individual government-approved oligarchs, and the produced goods were provided to the supporters more than the non-supporters.

If you want,  I will agree they were a bit more capitalist that the Soviets, but not by a whole lot.

"...in a general way..." Welcome to Waffle House.