Author Topic: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA  (Read 1135 times)

Offline Cavebear

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2017, 01:43:55 PM »
Only if I can scalp me some white Republicans.

I appreciate broad humor (love Adult Swim at midnight).  But why limit it to white Republicans?  There are various minority Republicans too.
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Online Sorginak

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2017, 01:50:07 PM »
I appreciate broad humor (love Adult Swim at midnight).  But why limit it to white Republicans?  There are various minority Republicans too.

I was trying to be more culturally accurate, considering it was the "white" man who turned the natives into an endangered species. 

Offline Cavebear

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2017, 02:11:38 PM »
I was trying to be more culturally accurate, considering it was the "white" man who turned the natives into an endangered species.

The situation was trickier than you assume.  It seems that more Native Americans died of diseases the Europeans didn't even know they had than were ever killed directly.

That being said, the incoming Europeans were often brutal thugs who never considered treaties worth enforcing. treated Native Americans horridly, took advantage of the tribal structure, and even took steps to reduce their numbers. 

Americans of European origin have 2 shames...treatment of Native Americans and Black slavery.  I could say "I wasn't there then", but had I been raised then, I probably would have been the same. 
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Online Sorginak

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2017, 02:25:12 PM »
People have often thought it silly that I do not celebrate Thanksgiving, but in light of what was done it is rather logical too.

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2017, 02:26:20 PM »
Are you interested in Native American origins and immigration to the Americas?  I would like to discuss that.
Interested? Yes. Even more ignorant? Yes squared.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2017, 02:32:11 PM »
Interested? Yes. Even more ignorant? Yes squared.

OK, they either came from Polynesia via the Pacific coastline or across the northern Atlantic along the ice shelf.  They didn't first come across the Bering land mass.
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Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2017, 02:32:32 PM »

2. nazis are socialist totaltarians. thats the govt. they want. that puts them at the far left of the political scale.

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Nazis are NOT socialist.  From Wiki--The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf, written in 1924, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for parliamentary democracy and his belief in Germany’s right to territorial expansion.

Hitler's deepest hatred was not for the Jews--but communism and socialism.  He blamed the Reichstag's fire not on Jews, but on Communists and socialists.    Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum. 
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Offline Cavebear

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2017, 02:52:19 PM »
I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State.  Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)

"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party.  All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed.  Sound familiar?

I'm sorry to have to tell you that.  I thought you knew.  One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies.  And sometimes you realize really strange things.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2017, 02:54:17 PM »
The situation was trickier than you assume.  It seems that more Native Americans died of diseases the Europeans didn't even know they had than were ever killed directly.

That being said, the incoming Europeans were often brutal thugs who never considered treaties worth enforcing. treated Native Americans horridly, took advantage of the tribal structure, and even took steps to reduce their numbers. 

Americans of European origin have 2 shames...treatment of Native Americans and Black slavery.  I could say "I wasn't there then", but had I been raised then, I probably would have been the same.

Americans are more guilty than that.  Didn't stop at Wounded Knee in 1890.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2017, 02:54:49 PM »
People have often thought it silly that I do not celebrate Thanksgiving, but in light of what was done it is rather logical too.

Lincoln started Thanksgiving ... Yankee scum.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2017, 02:59:25 PM »
I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State.  Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)

"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party.  All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed.  Sound familiar?

I'm sorry to have to tell you that.  I thought you knew.  One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies.  And sometimes you realize really strange things.

National socialism vs international socialism.  International socialism was Trotsky ... and the EU.  National socialism was Hitler and Stalin.  But Hitler kept private property (but under party control).  Stalin nationalized everything, got the Junkers out of his hair.  It was Junker leaning German officers, who were the core of the movement to depose Hitler (when they were losing).  So Stalin was both socialist and communist (no private ownership).  And yes, modern Russia is more like the Nazis than the Stalinists ... same as present day China.  The US is also more Nazi .. at least since neb-lib/neo-con axis formed under Clinton.
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Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2017, 03:42:12 PM »
OK, but the matter at hand is statues that support the ideas of slavery and are sybolic for those who still think some people are lesser than others.

So you have ansectral connections abroad.  Are there people who oppressed your grandparents?  Who are they?  How do you think of them?  Do you want them glorified?
1. you cant control what someone else will think. if a person sees u.s. flag as a sign of opression, then they will. intent of the flag is to represent the country. intent of some statues and memorials are to never forget the bloodshed and respect (as mentioned before).

2. respond to second paragraph. main group was nazi. no I do not wish for nazi to be glorified, but I do think there is a difference in character and belief between Lee. (who is reported to have had a system of education for slaves and free blacks after war) vs. hitler (who didnt do anything of the like and murdered thousands).

beyond character i do look at other aspects ir factors to consider a person individually.

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Offline Cavebear

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2017, 03:52:47 PM »
1. you cant control what someone else will think. if a person sees u.s. flag as a sign of opression, then they will. intent of the flag is to represent the country. intent of some statues and memorials are to never forget the bloodshed and respect (as mentioned before).

2. respond to second paragraph. main group was nazi. no I do not wish for nazi to be glorified, but I do think there is a difference in character and belief between Lee. (who is reported to have had a system of education for slaves and free blacks after war) vs. hitler (who didnt do anything of the like and murdered thousands).

beyond character i do look at other aspects ir factors to consider a person individually.

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The intent of statues is to honor the individuals for what they accomplished.  I can't see how honoring a traitor is appropriate.  What Lee did before or after the speaks to him as an individual.  But his statues aren't depicting him as a proper young Federal Officer or President of a College. 

His statues are of him as a military leader fighting to support slavery (as declared explicitly in most of the Confederate State constitutions) and as a traitor to his Government and Country.  Those must all be removed.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2017, 03:57:35 PM »
1. you cant control what someone else will think. if a person sees u.s. flag as a sign of opression, then they will. intent of the flag is to represent the country. intent of some statues and memorials are to never forget the bloodshed and respect (as mentioned before).

2. respond to second paragraph. main group was nazi. no I do not wish for nazi to be glorified, but I do think there is a difference in character and belief between Lee. (who is reported to have had a system of education for slaves and free blacks after war) vs. hitler (who didnt do anything of the like and murdered thousands).

beyond character i do look at other aspects ir factors to consider a person individually.

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The villains are sometimes more interesting than the heroes.  But I don't see the point in getting upset at historical people.  Look at it like an anthropologist from another planet.
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Online Munch

Re: The Cultural VANDALISM of the USA
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2017, 04:09:14 PM »
There is no equivalence between neo nazis wielding torches, batons, plexiglass shields and AK-47s and peaceful progressives.  You have your own fantasy Munch.  I will not support it.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.807160

Apparently I'm not the only one. Where do you get this only left does just peaceful protest from?
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