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Cavebear

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 08, 2017, 06:49:49 AM
more. I want to know more. please tell me more, everything , pour your heart out . do not hold back. I support the tribe . its okay .I believe

Well, I think you are a flaming idiot.  But if you needed food and water, I would give it.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Ibn Khaldun

@Barouch  you’re beyond amazing

You propose that the loophole was that Jews observed  sharia  by the spirit  and not to the letter The rule being people observe shari by the spirit and not to the letter  Al Nabi ( prophet)Barocuh rule

What letters  ? what spirit ?state them ?

  Lets test.

When Jews observed their sharia to the letter they refused to fight ON the Sabbath and laid  there and got butchered. Other jews so the folly in that and fought back. so observing  to letter versus   to reason .

In Islamic Sharia law , the Muslim is obliged to recite the equivalent (back to you) of the Christian Lords’ prayer a minimum of 17 times a day and few more on Friday. Its called . Surat Al Fatiha . Surat Al Fatiha disses Jews and Christians, debases them, condemns them  . everyday of the year with no exception the Muslim is obligated to recite that sura .Petition his god Allah    while kneeling down , hands raised in supplication . brainwash indoctrinate, build the inner hate everyday , all days of his life .
So substituting propositions ,  your proposition …. Man  is born only to die and in between … is Muslim is born only to die and in between recite  , lets say the guy lives to 70 years . so we are talking 63 years  times roughly 360 days times 17 hate recitals .

Seems your proposal to observe sharia to the letter returns ten of thousands of hate recital followed often times by mass murder . and that’s just  one sura. Wait till I tell you about the rest . so many of them < I’m going to need a super computer to do the math.
 
Lets do the Math.  Who many Muslims are there Barouch?  1.5 billion they say. Okay . lets say ten percent are devout and follow Sharia to the letter .-conservative estimate wouldn’t you agree.? So we got 150 million Muslims reciting hate for Jews and christens verses  17 times a day spread thoughout the day .

Test at the work place. Consider a Muslim working at factory ….. excuse me boss I would like extra breaks  to go engage in hate prayer towards  Jews.I’m going to need an area designated for my hate prayer recitals towards  Jews and Christians and atheists and the few billion humans  on the planet. 

Lets do Christian god. Oh shit , he got  the golden rule.

How  about  universal declaration- of human rights ? hey that is shari too . true not ordered by figment of the  imagination sociopath, psychopath deity. But sharia all the same albeit the product of man human spirit  and empathy and reason.

do sharia  comparisons Barouc.... Looks like we need to . sharia from sharia differs. There in lies the rub.

Ibn Khaldun

@Barouch.. forget to say thanks .. great repsonses by you .. keep it up

Cavebear

I am becoming really tempted here to let Ibn the closed minded Islamist fool fight it out with Baruch, the weird sarcastic Christian jester. if they would just get in a forum cage match and leave the rest of us alone. 

But they probably won't. 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 06:13:44 AM
I am becoming really tempted here to let Ibn the closed minded Islamist fool fight it out with Baruch, the weird sarcastic Christian jester. if they would just get in a forum cage match and leave the rest of us alone. 

But they probably won't.

We aren't fighting.  But I do need an interpreter with Ibn Khaldun.  It takes a net thrown over his postings, to make sense of him.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Ibn Khaldun

@ cavebear , by all means., infact I will talk for both of us for me and Barouch. Barouch has no time or interest you see and he can't understand  what I'm saying . so

@Barouch , just be yourself  . you're doing great . your student is proud of you .

so what say you about surat Al Fatiha ?  you said you respect Islam . turns out islam has its followers cussing you 17 times times a day . how do you feel about that ? turn the  other cheek 17 times a day ? smack smack , revolving door . you the  kavod man , the  very Kadosh in person.


listen you were saying something about Umar the  caliph . talk to me . what ?



Cavebear

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 12, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
@ cavebear , by all means., infact I will talk for both of us for me and Barouch. Barouch has no time or interest you see and he can't understand  what I'm saying . so

@Barouch , just be yourself  . you're doing great . your student is proud of you .

so what say you about surat Al Fatiha ?  you said you respect Islam . turns out islam has its followers cussing you 17 times times a day . how do you feel about that ? turn the  other cheek 17 times a day ? smack smack , revolving door . you the  kavod man , the  very Kadosh in person.


listen you were saying something about Umar the  caliph . talk to me . what ?

I am not at all surprised that you and Baruch get along wonderfully.  You are both religious fanatics trying to convince us innocent atheists to agree with your silly superstitions as best you can.

A fool's errand, but you must try I suppose...  You are very welcome to each other.

Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

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Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 12, 2017, 05:58:33 AM
@Barouch.. forget to say thanks .. great repsonses by you .. keep it up

I set up a string, under Islam, just for you ;-)  But the regulars can't keep their grubby paws off of it.

Yes, like in Revelations, the Jesus there has a tongue like a sword, swishing back and forth ...
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 12, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
@ cavebear , by all means., infact I will talk for both of us for me and Barouch. Barouch has no time or interest you see and he can't understand  what I'm saying . so

@Barouch , just be yourself  . you're doing great . your student is proud of you .

so what say you about surat Al Fatiha ?  you said you respect Islam . turns out islam has its followers cussing you 17 times times a day . how do you feel about that ? turn the  other cheek 17 times a day ? smack smack , revolving door . you the  kavod man , the  very Kadosh in person.


listen you were saying something about Umar the  caliph . talk to me . what ?

I think I will revise what I said.  I have had more time tonight to do a little research.

First, you can hardly say Baruch has no time.  In fact, he mostly clogs up the threads to increase his post count and make bizarre and strange references to nothing in particular.  If you consider him a friend, you are welcome to him.

And if Baruch can't understand what you are saying, with his talent for making no sense at all himself, you are probably beyond all hope.

I looked at "surat Al Fatiha" on Wikipedia just now.  It is mostly we love God and diminishing humans as crap.  If that's what you want, fine.  *I* have more respect for myself than THAT!

I respect Islam the same way I respect Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Mithraism and Odinism, etc.  Not much.  All silly useless superstitions.

I don't have to "turn the other cheek".  No one is slapping mine.

Kadosh is a sick sexist fantasy.

Umar who?  OK, yeah I looked him up.  So you are a follower of the political post-Mohammed leaders rather than the bloodlines.  Whoop-de-doo!  I don't care about either.  You are all crazies to me.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Unbeliever

Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:22:59 AM
Can we get rid of Islamic porn please? 

Or I'll  start writing some myself to to make it REALLY annoying...
I think Islamic porn is any woman showing any skin at all. Those Muslim men seem to be a bunch of fucking pigs that can't control their own appetites and lusts, so they force their women to cover every bit of themselves, or the men will go apeshit and jump them for the sex. Or just stone them to death.
God Not Found
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Ibn Khaldun

sit . relax. not going to yell at you.  I’m not going to teach you  about surat Alfatiha or Umar,nor the Hijab. Not now at any rate. I’m busy . I don’t know., maybe if you get on your knees and do like my dog . here doggie here is treat, jump , stand on your hind legs, go bite my wife, that’s a good boy. Here .

@Cavebear. Thanks for wonderful response . and several sentences too. wow . take it easy on your brain. start a fire or some shit . hurt yourself like that

If this is an attempt by you to join our blessed circle of spiritualists  , the answer is no.  we don’t accept atheists  and even if you become spiritual we still wouldn’t. even if Barouch says its okay , I'm the boss. NO . go away

look , I'm a  believer. I believe you’re telling the truth when you said you did “some research” and that you believe what you did was research and I believe you when you say that you  looked up Surat Al fatiha on Wikipedia and by doing so you believe you looked at surat Al fatiha . I also believe the stuff you posted as result of your belief that you did research is what you understood. What I’m saying I believe you not because I do but because  I don’t think it would matter whether you did   or not. You would have returned the same responses . 

I also believe you when you say  you’re of the opinion that Kadosh is sexist fantasy. not because you said it.  I don’t care how you came by that understanding or why you said it or whatever   .  its of no value to me .  My issue was how representative are you when you says “us”.

Now concerning Barouch , I think  you’re way out of his league .waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

now..here...throwing hand grenade  ...go fetch.... thats a boy




Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 06:13:44 AM
I am becoming really tempted here to let Ibn the closed minded Islamist fool fight it out with Baruch, the weird sarcastic Christian jester. if they would just get in a forum cage match and leave the rest of us alone. 

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Jason78

Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2017, 04:58:59 AM
What the fuck did I just walk into?

A sex thread with an opening post from a pervert that doesn't know how to respect people.
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