The Dark Truth About Gender Equality.

[Baruch]

He's talking about White Republican America "us", not normal people.

Pr126 is neither White, nor Republican nor American.  Jewish ancestry doesn't count as White.  So what are you talking about?

[pr126]

Most other cultures have recognized multiple genders besides M/F for thousands of years, so if anything they are probably just scratching their heads wondering how it took us this long to get with the program.[/qujote]

Incredible.

Can you list them, please? I would like to know.

[Shiranu]

Don't know why I have to google everything for you, but off the top of my head...

-Hidjras in India and S.E. Pakistan.
-"Two-Spirits" in Native American culture.
-the Cult of Cybele in parts of Ancient Greek (derived from an Anatolian Fertility goddess), whom's members would from time ceremonially castrate themselves and assume female or eunuch roles in society.
-On that note, literally all of Europe had eunuchs who didn't fill the traditional male gender for basically forever.
-Alot of Persian poetry and folklore involves transgendered characters.
-Ancient Assyria recognized transgenders who played a similar role in society that the Hijras of India play now.
-S.E. Asia has for a long time recognized transgendered members of society as a thing, Kathoey is what they are called in Thailand, using Buddhism to likely express an older, pagan view on the transgendered.
-The Aztecs and I want to say Olmecs or Zapotecs recognized a third gender, though they often still fufill male roles.
-Certain Maori groups recognize third genders.

Again, that is just off the top of my head... but that is most of the world right there, and I am sure Africa recognizes third genders as well because literally everywhere has recognized them or recognizes them.

Literally though, it will take you all of 10 seconds of google to find that other countries have recognized third genders for a very, very long time, with the most likely group to come up either the Kathoey or the Hijra.

[Shiranu]

This is normalising mental illness. Do you approve?

I'm sorry, what? We have tried stigmatizing "mental illness" (which this isn't even talking about), and lets look at how well that worked out...

Oh, right, less than 100 years your country was still forcing gay men to either go to prison or forcefully chemically castrating them and literally destroying everything that made them, "them", because pumping them full of hormones and terrible chemicals was the "scientific" and "humane" thing to do.

We stigmatize depression so that hundreds of thousands of people kill themselves rather than seek help from medical professionals or even friends and family because they are too ashamed of their feelings or are taught to, "just be happy.". How many more who didn't kill themselves have destroyed their lives and the lives of the people around them because we were afraid of "normalizing" mental illness? And you want to say that is a good thing, that it's better than turning society into a bunch of... whatevers? Cucks, SJW, liberals, whatever you're latched onto atm?

Are you sure you aren't lowkey a Muslim Fundamentalist, just without the Allah?


Yeah, sorry, I forgot how great your generation was. Fuck, those were the good ol' days.

[pr126]

Don't know why I have to google everything for you, but off the top of my head...

-Hidjras in India and S.E. Pakistan.
-"Two-Spirits" in Native American culture.
-the Cult of Cybele in parts of Ancient Greek (derived from an Anatolian Fertility goddess), whom's members would from time ceremonially castrate themselves and assume female or eunuch roles in society.
-On that note, literally all of Europe had eunuchs who didn't fill the traditional male gender for basically forever.
-Alot of Persian poetry and folklore involves transgendered characters.
-Ancient Assyria recognized transgenders who played a similar role in society that the Hijras of India play now.
-S.E. Asia has for a long time recognized transgendered members of society as a thing, Kathoey is what they are called in Thailand, using Buddhism to likely express an older, pagan view on the transgendered.
-The Aztecs and I want to say Olmecs or Zapotecs recognized a third gender, though they often still fufill male roles.
-Certain Maori groups recognize third genders.

Again, that is just off the top of my head... but that is most of the world right there, and I am sure Africa recognizes third genders as well because literally everywhere has recognized them or recognizes them.

Literally though, it will take you all of 10 seconds of google to find that other countries have recognized third genders for a very, very long time, with the most likely group to come up either the Kathoey or the Hijra.

I must have missed all this in biology class.

Question: Is this applicable to all mammalian life forms or just humans?

[Shiranu]

I must have missed all this in biology class.

Biology doesn't generally deal with gender, only sex. Sociology and anthropology would be more apt to teach you these things, as well as history or mythology to a lesser extent, particularly when dealing with the Greeks and Romans who had very...interesting... ideas on sexuality.

Question: Is this applicable to all mammalian life forms or just humans?

Just humans afaik. So is art and music, but I don't think the fact that monkeys don't play the violin makes Bach less moving or van Gogh less impressive.

[pr126]

I see, so gender has nothing to do with biology.

Nevertheless, humans are born either male or female, UNLESS there is a genetic aberration.

What happens after that, is all in the mind. Which can and will be politicized.

[Shiranu]

I see. so gender has nothing to do with biology. I get that.

No more than being left handed or right handed, correct... or more akin, gay or straight.


Of course, gender is also largely a construct of society, and what roles they are expected to have will vary from one culture to another... and often within the culture there will be sects that interpret gender in different ways as well. So it's a mix of mental factors as well as societal factors as to which gender someone should identify as.

Nevertheless, humans are born either male or female, UNLESS there is a genetic aberration.

Sexually, yes. Gender...ly... no.

What happens after that, is all in the mind.

Yes, but not in the way I think you are implying. That phrase has an implied, "...and you choose what is in your mind.", which is not accurate in this case. It's like telling a gay man to, "Just stop liking dick and like women!". Doesn't work that way.

[pr126]

 I am not talking about homosexuality. Never implied. If you understood it as such, that is only in your mind.

So "gender", as I see it, is a Marxist ideology, recently politicized. 
I wonder what they will come up with next.

Thanks for the lesson.

BTW, how do gender pronouns fit into all this? How to use them?

[Munch]

Homosexuality exists in the natural world, so you can't equate that to the same gender association made up by people. Or shall he start branding male lions who pork it with multiple females as a patriarch?

[Baruch]

I see, so gender has nothing to do with biology.

Nevertheless, humans are born either male or female, UNLESS there is a genetic aberration.

What happens after that, is all in the mind. Which can and will be politicized.

All genetic patterns are aberrations.  Us megafauna aren't proper bacteria, now are we.

[Baruch]

Homosexuality exists in the natural world, so you can't equate that to the same gender association made up by people. Or shall he start branding male lions who pork it with multiple females as a patriarch?

If anyone doesn't live like Harry Potters aunt's family ... they are abnormal ;-)

Gender may be a social construct, but social constructs aren't trivial or unimportant.  But living in an ideal termite society is what socialism is all about ... and that entails certain compromises of gender and sexuality.  So Pr126, don't get cause/effect reversed.  Political types politicize everything.  Revolutionary political cadres, just want to be Queens too.

[Shiranu]

I am not talking about homosexuality. Never implied. If you understood it as such, that is only in your mind.

Didn't say you did.

So "gender", as I see it, is a Marxist ideology, recently politicized. 
I wonder what they will come up with next.

Then you see it very poorly. It's only "politicized" because one side of the political spectrum is unequivocally opposed to the concept, but to say it is politicized implies that "leftists" are therefor in support or LGBT+ rights all the time, which is not true either.

It would be like saying in the 1940s or the Civil War, "Man, this whole idea that 'African Americans are humans' is just some Yankee ideology, recently politicized... I wonder what they will come up with next." I mean, yes... it is a recent concept that is heavily politicized because one side acknowledges it and one side doesn't... but do you want to be on the, yet again, losing side of history like that?

Homosexuality exists in the natural world, so you can't equate that to the same gender association made up by people.

Again, never said that it was the same, only that it's akin. Indeed as my post indicated, it's more complicated than attraction since it involves both internal issues as well as societal issues.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Teaching Troglodytes 101.

[fencerider]

interesting topic

I would rather be called a Marxist any day of the week than a capitalist pug.... but then again if we are talking about the uber-elite the Marxist and the capitalist are one and the same; just wearing different clothes.


Not all is a loss for pr126. I can say as a matter of fact that there is no right to a sex-change operation in the Constitution. So all he has to do is to get Congress to pass a law that makes it illegal. (personally I think it should be a referendum on a ballet so that every American can weigh in on the subject)