Author Topic: Socialism in Venezuela.  (Read 945 times)

Offline SGOS

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2017, 02:06:29 PM »
Being wealthy, it's tempting to not work, or think, or anything else, I suppose.  Just sit back an rake in the money.  Working is not usually an individual's first choice, usually.  It's often an inconvenience.   That's why they pay you to work.  Even playing the stock market successfully requires effort and output.  Perhaps owning an oil rich country takes a lot of work.  It probably does, and if you get better returns on pumping oil out of the ground than you do on building factories that make widgets, you are probably going to take your profits and install more oil pumps, so I understand the dynamic.  Humans invest for the short haul.  Perhaps by a two week outlook.

Except for Seward, the guy that bought Alaska.  Of course, that could have turned out to be a bad investment, but with global warming, the tundra might be the next grain belt.  And then everyone in Alaska will stop working until the tundra is gone, and then everyone will ask, "Why weren't those people planning ahead?

Offline Cavebear

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2017, 03:27:56 AM »
Socialism would work if done perfectly.  Capitalism would work if done perfectly.  Communism would work if done perfectly.

Nothing is done perfectly.
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Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2017, 06:56:03 AM »
Socialism would work if done perfectly.  Capitalism would work if done perfectly.  Communism would work if done perfectly.

Nothing is done perfectly.
Everything has humans in it. Therefore it will struggle at best.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2017, 10:56:37 AM »
Darn, I've been trying to find a quote and I can't recall the author.  Something about Capitalism is the idea you can win, Communism is the idea you can't lose, and something about Socialism.  I know someone out there has it posted above your computer or at least knows it.  LOL!
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Offline SGOS

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2017, 11:00:08 AM »
Darn, I've been trying to find a quote and I can't recall the author.  Something about Capitalism is the idea you can win, Communism is the idea you can't lose, and something about Socialism.  I know someone out there has it posted above your computer or at least knows it.  LOL!
If someone doesn't finish this, I might go crazy.

Offline Baruch

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2017, 01:14:57 PM »
The reality is this ... you can't win, you can't break even, you can't get out of the game (alive).  Everything else is worthless ideology.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2017, 03:16:40 AM »
If someone doesn't finish this, I might go crazy.

I'm thinking Heinlein, but can't find the quote. 
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2017, 12:19:30 AM »

Oh dear. I have just realized This is FOX News.  :grr:
Therefore by default, it must be a lie.

 
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Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2017, 12:29:34 AM »
Oh dear. I have just realized This is FOX News.  :grr:
Therefore by default, it must be a lie.

 

Yep. Faux news is a lie.  Every now and again you get one right.
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Online Shiranu

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2017, 06:23:01 PM »
So Texas, arguably the most capitalist state in the Union, ranks number 11 for worst health care in the U.S. (which the U.S., which is arguably the most capitalist country in the developed world, ranks low in world rankings), which means it is some of the worst health care money can buy.

Amongst other things, it's weird how socialism and quality health care seem to be almost exclusively linked to one another.
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Online Shiranu

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2017, 06:24:36 PM »
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Therefore by default, it must be a lie.

Not by default, no. I would say not even on norm, though they are known to lie quite often. Rather it's a matter of omitting information and taking only the bits that absolutely agree with the narrative they want to sell and implying that the 5% of the story they reported proves the 95% rest of it is just as terrible without actually presenting any evidence that is the case.

FOX at least has a small amount of accountability when they lie. It's when you start posting sources like Brietbart, GatesOfVienna, and other such sites that you have to be really on guard with every story about straight up lying. FOX isn't quite on that level.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Socialism in Venezuela.
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2017, 05:29:27 AM »
Not by default, no. I would say not even on norm, though they are known to lie quite often. Rather it's a matter of omitting information and taking only the bits that absolutely agree with the narrative they want to sell and implying that the 5% of the story they reported proves the 95% rest of it is just as terrible without actually presenting any evidence that is the case.

FOX at least has a small amount of accountability when they lie. It's when you start posting sources like Brietbart, GatesOfVienna, and other such sites that you have to be really on guard with every story about straight up lying. FOX isn't quite on that level.

I hate the Fox game.  They find a rumor.  They send it to a blogger.  The Blogger reports the rumor.  Then Fox quotes the blogger as a "source". 
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