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Started by pr126, July 31, 2017, 01:57:31 AM

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SGOS

Being wealthy, it's tempting to not work, or think, or anything else, I suppose.  Just sit back an rake in the money.  Working is not usually an individual's first choice, usually.  It's often an inconvenience.   That's why they pay you to work.  Even playing the stock market successfully requires effort and output.  Perhaps owning an oil rich country takes a lot of work.  It probably does, and if you get better returns on pumping oil out of the ground than you do on building factories that make widgets, you are probably going to take your profits and install more oil pumps, so I understand the dynamic.  Humans invest for the short haul.  Perhaps by a two week outlook.

Except for Seward, the guy that bought Alaska.  Of course, that could have turned out to be a bad investment, but with global warming, the tundra might be the next grain belt.  And then everyone in Alaska will stop working until the tundra is gone, and then everyone will ask, "Why weren't those people planning ahead?

Cavebear

Socialism would work if done perfectly.  Capitalism would work if done perfectly.  Communism would work if done perfectly.

Nothing is done perfectly.
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Cavebear on August 03, 2017, 03:27:56 AM
Socialism would work if done perfectly.  Capitalism would work if done perfectly.  Communism would work if done perfectly.

Nothing is done perfectly.
Everything has humans in it. Therefore it will struggle at best.
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Cavebear

Darn, I've been trying to find a quote and I can't recall the author.  Something about Capitalism is the idea you can win, Communism is the idea you can't lose, and something about Socialism.  I know someone out there has it posted above your computer or at least knows it.  LOL!
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SGOS

Quote from: Cavebear on August 03, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
Darn, I've been trying to find a quote and I can't recall the author.  Something about Capitalism is the idea you can win, Communism is the idea you can't lose, and something about Socialism.  I know someone out there has it posted above your computer or at least knows it.  LOL!
If someone doesn't finish this, I might go crazy.

Baruch

The reality is this ... you can't win, you can't break even, you can't get out of the game (alive).  Everything else is worthless ideology.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: SGOS on August 03, 2017, 11:00:08 AM
If someone doesn't finish this, I might go crazy.

I'm thinking Heinlein, but can't find the quote. 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

pr126

#52

Oh dear. I have just realized This is FOX News.  :grr:
Therefore by default, it must be a lie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gjnk9KqwvQ

Mike Cl

Quote from: pr126 on August 07, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
Oh dear. I have just realized This is FOX News.  :grr:
Therefore by default, it must be a lie.



Yep. Faux news is a lie.  Every now and again you get one right.
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Shiranu

So Texas, arguably the most capitalist state in the Union, ranks number 11 for worst health care in the U.S. (which the U.S., which is arguably the most capitalist country in the developed world, ranks low in world rankings), which means it is some of the worst health care money can buy.

Amongst other things, it's weird how socialism and quality health care seem to be almost exclusively linked to one another.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

#55
QuoteTherefore by default, it must be a lie.

Not by default, no. I would say not even on norm, though they are known to lie quite often. Rather it's a matter of omitting information and taking only the bits that absolutely agree with the narrative they want to sell and implying that the 5% of the story they reported proves the 95% rest of it is just as terrible without actually presenting any evidence that is the case.

FOX at least has a small amount of accountability when they lie. It's when you start posting sources like Brietbart, GatesOfVienna, and other such sites that you have to be really on guard with every story about straight up lying. FOX isn't quite on that level.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Cavebear

Quote from: Shiranu on August 08, 2017, 06:24:36 PM
Not by default, no. I would say not even on norm, though they are known to lie quite often. Rather it's a matter of omitting information and taking only the bits that absolutely agree with the narrative they want to sell and implying that the 5% of the story they reported proves the 95% rest of it is just as terrible without actually presenting any evidence that is the case.

FOX at least has a small amount of accountability when they lie. It's when you start posting sources like Brietbart, GatesOfVienna, and other such sites that you have to be really on guard with every story about straight up lying. FOX isn't quite on that level.

I hate the Fox game.  They find a rumor.  They send it to a blogger.  The Blogger reports the rumor.  Then Fox quotes the blogger as a "source". 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

pr126

Feds freeze millions in assets linked to stolen Venezuelan oil funds laundered in South Florida/
QuoteFederal prosecutors have frozen hundreds of millions of dollars in South Florida luxury real estate and other assets linked to a network of Venezuelan business people and former government officials charged with laundering more than $1 billion that U.S. authorities say was stolen from the country’s vast oil income.

Among the targeted assets are at least 17 South Florida homes, condos and horse ranches ranging in total value from $22 million to $35 million, based on property assessments in public records and real estate market estimates.

They include a condo in the Porsche Design Tower in Sunny Isles Beach, a residence in the affluent Bay Point area of Miami, four homes in the exclusive Cocoplum neighborhood of Coral Gables, and two ranches in the wealthy equestrian community of Wellington in Palm Beach County.

Also facing federal forfeiture: More than $45 million that has already been seized by U.S. authorities in the past year, along with additional deposits at City National Bank of New Jersey and other financial institutions in the Bahamas, England and Switzerland.

Jason Harvestdancer

Quote from: Atheon on July 31, 2017, 01:57:26 PM
And meanwhile, in Denmark and Finland, socialism is hopping along just dandily.

The scandinavians are tired of ignorant people referring to their robust safety net as "socialism", they insist it is not.

They have a point, they haven't collectivized the means of production.
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Baruch

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on August 26, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
The scandinavians are tired of ignorant people referring to their robust safety net as "socialism", they insist it is not.

They have a point, they haven't collectivized the means of production.

A sad castration of a once virile society?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.