Socialism in Venezuela.

[Sal1981]

The scandinavians are tired of ignorant people referring to their robust safety net as "socialism", they insist it is not.

They have a point, they haven't collectivized the means of production.

Bingo.

We have a mixed economy. Both private and public; whereas lots of public sectors are contracted to private companies who compete for government contracts. It's not even close to socialism.

[Shiranu]

Democratic socialism is a bit obnoxious to have to spell out or say every time.

Everyone knows what you mean when you say"socialism", with what should be obviously no one thinking you are advocating for traditional socialism.

There are a lot of things we say that aren't literally accurate. If we were to spell out exactly what we mean, we couldn't say anything with out taking a week to say it.

I realise there are people who actually do get anal about that in all instances, but most of the time it's purely a political "argument" that is centered solely on being obnoxious and intentionally dense.

[Baruch]

Democratic socialism is a bit obnoxious to have to spell out or say every time.

Everyone knows what you mean when you say"socialism", with what should be obviously no one thinking you are advocating for traditional socialism.

There are a lot of things we say that aren't literally accurate. If we were to spell out exactly what we mean, we couldn't say anything with out taking a week to say it.

I realise there are people who actually do get anal about that in all instances, but most of the time it's purely a political "argument" that is centered solely on being obnoxious and intentionally dense.

How about "anarcho-syndicalism" ... aka trade unions being boss, and anti-government.  More accurately we have "anarcho-cabalism" ... in that our political parties are cabals and are generating serious anarchy.

[Cavebear]

When "socialism" means distributed outcomes in support of the populace, I think that is good.  When it means control of productivity, that is not so good.  Collective control of productivity doesn't seen to work anywhere.

[Baruch]

When "socialism" means distributed outcomes in support of the populace, I think that is good.  When it means control of productivity, that is not so good.  Collective control of productivity doesn't seen to work anywhere.

Camel is a horse designed by a committee.

[pr126]

EARTH MOVING TOO CLOSE TO THE SUN CAUSES VENEZUELA'S POWER OUTAGES, MADURO ALLY SAYS

A political ally of Venezuela’s strongman Nicolás Maduro has blamed the Earth’s position in relation to the sun for the country’s ongoing blackouts.

“It is because we are very close to the Sun …  while the rest of the world is cold, it is hot here, that just makes the situation more serious,” Lisandro Cabello, government secretary in the state of Zulia, said in a press conference. He blamed the summer solstice for the country’s electricity problems, The Times reported on Wednesday.

Venezuela, a country that is grappling with a major economic crisis, has been suffering power cuts for several months. According to workers at the country’s nationalized electricity company, Corpoelec, the problem is actually due to years of poor maintenance accompanied by rampant theft.

Watch a string of Venezuela's power stations explode through the night

Send Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Cortez to fix it.

[SGOS]

A political ally of Venezuela’s strongman Nicolás Maduro has blamed the Earth’s position in relation to the sun for the country’s ongoing blackouts.

“It is because we are very close to the Sun …  while the rest of the world is cold, it is hot here, that just makes the situation more serious,” Lisandro Cabello, government secretary in the state of Zulia, said in a press conference. He blamed the summer solstice for the country’s electricity problems,

Send Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Cortez to fix it.

This sounds more like some dumb theory invented by our conservative religious right in the US.  I doubt if Bernie or anyone else can fix it.  I know for sure Trump can't.

[Baruch]

Send Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Cortez to fix it.

This sounds more like some dumb theory invented by our conservative religious right in the US.  I doubt if Bernie or anyone else can fix it.  I know for sure Trump can't.

Political expertise = ability to bull shit rubes.

Sorry, are you saying that the US is interfering in another country?  Would never happen, only Russians do that, and only for Republican candidates.

Oleg Deripaska ... Russian oligarch, Putin friend ... was involved in American collusion, 2009-2016 ... working for President Obama.

[pr126]

Q: What did socialists use before candles?
A:  Electricity.

[Baruch]

Q: What did socialists use before candles?
A:  Electricity.

Why anyone still respects thinkers like Voltaire, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche etc is beyond me.  Their lives were shit and their ideas poison.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

When "socialism" means distributed outcomes in support of the populace, I think that is good.  When it means control of productivity, that is not so good.  Collective control of productivity doesn't seen to work anywhere.

The problem is, socialism does not mean redistribution of wealth.  It means collectivitizing the mans of production.

[Shiranu]

Ooo, oo I can play this game too!

One word, and I will completely and utterly debunk a political system... Somalia!

HAH!

TAKE THAT CAPITALISTS!

[Baruch]

The problem is, socialism does not mean redistribution of wealth.  It means collectivitizing the (means) of production.

Correct.  Socialism isn't social safety nets.  That is compassion.  But in Newspeak, we mix words up, for Big Brother.

I am sure Shiranu prefers collectivist petroleum in Venezuela or collectivist agriculture in Russia.  Death to the Kulaks!  Death to the Oil companies!

Therefore yes, support expropriation without compensation ... gotta revenge things from 400 years ago, in S Africa.  Before the Dutch and British came, it was like Wakanda ;-))

[Baruch]

Ooo, oo I can play this game too!

One word, and I will completely and utterly debunk a political system... Somalia!

HAH!

TAKE THAT CAPITALISTS!

Actually Somalia is capitalistic, in a tribal way.  Every man for himself and devil take the hind-most.  If you don't play the game by the rules, you won't win.

[SGOS]

Correct.  Socialism isn't social safety nets.  That is compassion.  But in Newspeak, we mix words up, for Big Brother.

Yes.  Conservatives call compassion socialism.  Libertarians call socialism collectivism.  Sara Palin refers to anything she doesn't like as socialism.  Brauch calls democratic socialism communism.  And to Hell with the dictionary.  It's all about what words are useful  for trolling the right crowd.