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Started by SGOS, July 28, 2017, 06:49:02 PM

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Sylar

Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
Self righteous are we?  Maybe you love one master and hate the other ... oh, I read that somewhere.  Can't serve both.  I serve neither.

Ah, but the Media since the 80s, no longer has to give equal time to all (2) sides, like they used to.  So ... no, I don't see that this is 1980, and nobody is giving equal time to anyone.  It is Civil War, death to all enemies foreign and domestic.  Anti-Fa are not bad apples, they are the heart of the D party.  KKK isn't bad apples, they are the heart of the R party.  I am not member of either party, I hate both.  There a wrong side?  Yes, ape men must all die.  That is one side, we are all members of.  But I get better after I eat supper ;-)

Self-righteous? Not at all. You can't be self-righteous in face of Nazi and white supremacist ideology. You can only be righteous, and it is our duty to be so.

The "Antifa" group is not a new group, nor a new phenomenon. It is a new brand for the same group of anarchists that are called "Black Bloc". They show up at peaceful demonstrations to wreak havoc. They are often infiltrated by undercover cops to justify extra police presence, or police violence.

The KKK and Antifa do not represent the heart of any party -- they are minority groups, on the fringes. They need to be kept that way and not made more mainstream by normalizing their behavior.
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Sylar

Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 01:17:15 AM
So if these geniuses run Hitler and Stalin, you will vote for one of them?  Maybe the hard work of starting a new party, starts with you.  This is normal in other countries, having more than 2 parties.

The only way for third parties to win is to change the electoral law. Get rid of FPTP system and replace it with a proportional system.

But that's the dilemma, isn't it? The current two parties have no interest in changing an electoral law that will reduce their power. So, basically third parties are the only ones with a vested interest in such a change, yet they cannot be elected. Not if they ran on independent third party platforms.

They can win by running on the platform of one of the political parties, like Bernie Sanders did.

There are no easy fixes, no fast solutions. If you want third parties to have any impact, then you need to do the grunt work.. you need to identify which politicians running with one of the two parties resemble the closest a third party platform and vote for that person.
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Cavebear

Quote from: aitm on August 15, 2017, 09:12:20 PM
From what I saw of the Obama era, many Americans never thought we would elect a black man and the repubs surely thought they would not. They could not recover from being rejected for a blackie and would not consider working with him at all. But that was not so much him being black as this is politics now, refusing to work together. But him being black and bowing to the tea party..working with the blackie was not an option.

Do you forget that the Republicans considered Obama a non-American?  That wasn't "Just Politics".
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Cavebear

Baruch said "Yes, ape men must all die".   (From a quote I saw).  I suggest that means he is racist.
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SGOS

Quote from: Sylar on August 16, 2017, 04:01:26 PM
Sorry Baruch, the two sides are not equal. Their ideologies are entirely opposed, and ironically Mitt Romney was right on the money in his tweet.

One side advocates slavery, antisemitism, racial superiority, and subjugation of other human beings. The other side advocates diversity, inclusion, equality, and social justice.

A few bad apples in the latter do not create an equilibrium between the two sides. There is one side in the wrong here, and you can say that while condemning the few violent apples on the other side.

There was one side shouting "blood and soil", "Jews will not replace us", etc. There was only one side imitating the first days of the Holocaust on American streets.
There's an unusually large amount of equivocation in the Nazi/SJW comparisons.  Trump equivocated George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to Robert E. Lee:  "Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.  Should we remove statues of them too?" 

Buying this line of reasoning is a psychological temptation, something to be avoided if one wishes to be intellectually honest.  It was even thought provoking to me when he said that, not that I hadn't already considered it.  And indeed those aspects of Washington and Jefferson disgust me.  But that's not the argument.  Trump wants reframe the debate to something else though misdirection.  Trump wasn't talking about statues.  He was justifying racism and white supremacy.

The statues are just bronze likenesses.  Their removal is a matter of public opinion reflected by what the statues symbolize to a changing demographic.  Not all Southerners long for a return to a more barbaric past.  But they don't want another civil war, this time one  part of the South against the Other Part of the South, while the Yankees look on in amazement.  The insanity of that would be mind boggling.  But the glorification of a racist Confederacy is something the south will probably have to sort out on it's own.  I don't know that most Yankees are as stirred or embarrassed by the statues as the South is right now.

Baruch

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Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:17:51 AM
Baruch said "Yes, ape men must all die".   (From a quote I saw).  I suggest that means he is racist.

Yes, bear men must all die (eventually).  Completed it for you.  Actually I would kill all the D party members .. with bad jokes.  They would die, because they can't take a joke .. too busy virtue signaling.

"What I was saying is that GOP do not get punished at the polls for refusing to work with Democrats, while the same is not true in reverse." ... cry all the way the the day care center, Snowflake.  Life isn't fair ... I want Venezuelan socialism, or Cuban socialism etc.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:07:38 AM
Do you forget that the Republicans considered Obama a non-American?  That wasn't "Just Politics".

Obama isn't American ... neither are you, unless Native American.  My next door neighbor, he is Lakota, he has your number, paleface ;-)
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Shiranu

Remember the good ol' days, about 100 years ago, when we were talking about Scaramucci, and Spicer... seems like a life time ago.
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Baruch

Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 07:11:18 AM
There's an unusually large amount of equivocation in the Nazi/SJW comparisons.  Trump equivocated George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to Robert E. Lee:  "Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.  Should we remove statues of them too?" 

Buying this line of reasoning is a psychological temptation, something to be avoided if one wishes to be intellectually honest.  It was even thought provoking to me when he said that, not that I hadn't already considered it.  And indeed those aspects of Washington and Jefferson disgust me.  But that's not the argument.  Trump wants reframe the debate to something else though misdirection.  Trump wasn't talking about statues.  He was justifying racism and white supremacy.

The statues are just bronze likenesses.  Their removal is a matter of public opinion reflected by what the statues symbolize to a changing demographic.  Not all Southerners long for a return to a more barbaric past.  But they don't want another civil war, this time one  part of the South against the Other Part of the South, while the Yankees look on in amazement.  The insanity of that would be mind boggling.  But the glorification of a racist Confederacy is something the south will probably have to sort out on it's own.  I don't know that most Yankees are as stirred or embarrassed by the statues as the South is right now.

Americans hate all other Americans.  The Communists have won.  US is burnt toast.  Fifth Column is a great strategy, since 1972.  And yes, you must piss on every quarter in your change, and nickel, because ... racism.  All Republicans must piss on every dime, because ... FDR.  Pissing on a penny is confusing ... Lincoln wouldn't recognize today's Republicans.  This is part of the ... get rid of Jackson on the $20.  Don't forget the $1.

It is like people woke up from a weed induced dream and realized it is 1968 again.
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Baruch

Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2017, 07:21:06 AM
Remember the good ol' days, about 100 years ago, when we were talking about Scaramucci, and Spicer... seems like a life time ago.

Scaramucci is so yesterday.  Plenty of other stupid things going on in the WH ;-)

So President Maduro in Venezuela is now dictator under new constitution he wrote himself.  New law ... 25 years in prison for "hate or intolerance" ... must give folks here, a hard-on in their political organ.  Is see a lot of Venezuela in America's future ... that and little food and no toilet paper.
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Cavebear

Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 07:11:18 AM
There's an unusually large amount of equivocation in the Nazi/SJW comparisons.  Trump equivocated George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to Robert E. Lee:  "Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.  Should we remove statues of them too?" 

Buying this line of reasoning is a psychological temptation, something to be avoided if one wishes to be intellectually honest.  It was even thought provoking to me when he said that, not that I hadn't already considered it.  And indeed those aspects of Washington and Jefferson disgust me.  But that's not the argument.  Trump wants reframe the debate to something else though misdirection.  Trump wasn't talking about statues.  He was justifying racism and white supremacy.

The difference between Washington and Lee is that Washington was not specifically fighting to support slavery, though he engaged in it, but Lee did. In Washington's day, both sides engaged in it (sadly).  In Lee's days, there was a real argument about it, and he CHOSE to support it.

Possibly a minor distinction to be sure, but a difference.

But to be fair, I am sure the British consider Washington a traitor to his country.  As Lee was

The statues are just bronze likenesses.  Their removal is a matter of public opinion reflected by what the statues symbolize to a changing demographic.  Not all Southerners long for a return to a more barbaric past.  But they don't want another civil war, this time one  part of the South against the Other Part of the South, while the Yankees look on in amazement.  The insanity of that would be mind boggling.  But the glorification of a racist Confederacy is something the south will probably have to sort out on it's own.  I don't know that most Yankees are as stirred or embarrassed by the statues as the South is right now.
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SGOS

Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 08:55:46 AM
But to be fair, I am sure the British consider Washington a traitor to his country.
I don't know how many of the British still hold bad feelings toward the US for escaping America's colonial status.  There may be hard feelings, but I would think they are based on some of our present day behavior.

Likewise, I don't think the statue issue is a big concern for Yankees.  I'm just going on my own personal feelings.  The issue for me is civil rights, and that issue cuts across the Mason Dixon Line.  I'm guessing the current struggle is between progressive Southerners and their Conservative cousins.  I don't know this.  It's just my guess.

Cavebear

Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
I don't know how many of the British still hold bad feelings toward the US for escaping America's colonial status.  There may be hard feelings, but I would think they are based on some of our present day behavior.

Likewise, I don't think the statue issue is a big concern for Yankees.  I'm just going on my own personal feelings.  The issue for me is civil rights, and that issue cuts across the Mason Dixon Line.  I'm guessing the current struggle is between progressive Southerners and their Conservative cousins.  I don't know this.  It's just my guess.

Well, I'm not British either and I don't know what they think about Washington.  My guess is that he just subsumed in the general loss of colonies world-wide.  And they are polite so long as it doesn't involve "football".

On the other hand I AM a Yankee (Boston born) and was forced to spend 3rd through 7th grade learning "Virginia History" in the Southern version where the North unfairly attacked the South in a "War of Aggression" and I am still annoyed about it today.  I KNOW these idiots, LOL!

My childhood friends grew up KNOWING the South would rise again, they KNEW they were better than the local Black kids ( can't use the terms they used routinely).  They still considered Black people "escaped slaves". 

I could go on in more disgusting detail, but the day my family left Virginia for the (relative sanity on Maryland, I cheered! 

Need I mention that I was the only kid from north of the Mason-Dixon line in an all white school in Petersburg in the late 50s?

But to me, Lee was a traitor and ever statue of him or his fellows should be melted down and dumped far out at sea.

On the other hand, I do have a nice collection of Minie-Balls from the actual trench lines...
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SGOS

Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 10:50:49 AM
On the other hand I AM a Yankee (Boston born) and was forced to spend 3rd through 7th grade learning "Virginia History" in the Southern version where the North unfairly attacked the South in a "War of Aggression" and I am still annoyed about it today.  I KNOW these idiots, LOL!

My childhood friends grew up KNOWING the South would rise again, they KNEW they were better than the local Black kids ( can't use the terms they used routinely).  They still considered Black people "escaped slaves". 
I worked with a proud Texan one summer for the Forest Service in Montana.  He was the classic example of what you don't admire.  He claimed that he honestly believed blacks were mentally inferior, although I questioned if he really did believed that, which he insisted he did.  He advocated slavery and tolerated Yankees, but took cheap shots whenever he could.  He delighted calling everyone a Yankee, which didn't bother me, except for the fact that he was trying to annoy people. 

Not a big deal, but years later, I was telling my wife stories about this guy.  When I told her about him constantly calling everyone he worked with a Yankee, my wife, now my ex, who was from New England, got pissed, almost like she was pissed at me, rather than him, and she haughtily explained to me, "You're from Montana.  You're NO Yankee," and then with authority and pride, she added, "I'm a Yankee.  I'm from New England."  I always liked the way she needed to go on the record about the Yankee thing. But she obviously thought that guy from Texas was some sort of douchebag.   :asmile:

Baruch

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Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 08:55:46 AM


It would help reading, if your response was below the final "quote" that you include in your post.

Washington et al also betrayed the US ... in 1787.  The Constitution Convention was a coup against Congress and the Articles of Confederation.  Heart burn over this treason led eventually, directly to 1860.  Took awhile, because both Rebs and Yankees agreed to concentrate on killing Natives and Mexicans.

Even Southerners hate Texans ... jealousy y'now ;-)  And the point of the anecdote is ... that all Texans are aholes?  Know quite a few aholes, and it is independent of region or political party.
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