Author Topic: More on Climate Change  (Read 156 times)

Offline SGOS (OP)

More on Climate Change
« on: July 24, 2017, 12:49:17 PM »
I get this thing called The Real News Network in my email several times a day it seems.  I don't know how I got on their subscriber list, and the very name "Real News Network" makes me suspicious since I mentally equate something called "Real News" as having to be "Fake News".  After all, isn't misnaming something the opposite of what it really is politically fashionable today?  I usually disregard the email without even opening it, but the title of this email caught my attention because first, it's about climate change, and second having lived in the west for 40 years of my life, working 7 summers for the Forest Service on the fire crew and knowing how fearsome and destructive Western forest fires can be, I naturally felt compelled to read it.

 http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19616

Part of what I found interesting, I already understand, but this expert believes we still have time to act and that it wouldn't be as hard to take appropriate action as we have been led to believe.

Without any expert knowledge about reversing the effects of climate change, I've believed, possibly incorrectly, that it's too late to reverse the tremendous inertia of climate change.  I think we can affect it, but the inertia, now that the train is gathering speed, will take hundreds of years to even experience a slow down, and by that time our own extinction will be well on the way.  We may not wipe humanity out, but for all practical purposes, we will have ruined civilization as we know it.

This guy still has hope, as some others do.  I hope he's right.  And don't think for a minute that I don't think we should do anything about the problem.  I think we should, although for many others, the idea that it's too late to do anything will be the next big excuse to do nothing and  will be the next bumper sticker pedaled by Corporate America and the oil and gas interests.

Re: More on Climate Change
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 07:08:01 PM »
I don't have expert knowledge on this, just as layman's understanding, so I'm not capable of giving much specifics here.  (I have a hard enough time convincing people that climate change exists and that this stuff is NOT the result of natural forces)

But from what I've read, there are some negative effects that are pretty much unavoidable.  Even if we stop burning fossil fuels tomorrow, we'll still have to contend with hotter heat waves, less arctic ice, some sea level rise, etc and it'll be quite a while until the system returns back to normal.  And that's the rosiest possible scenario.  A more realistic scenario is much worse than that.

That said, it's not all doom and gloom.  Renewables are getting cheaper and more efficient all the time, and a lot of countries have really put forth the effort to curb their carbon emissions and even in *certain* countries whose political leadership has been extremely reluctant to address this problem (*coughUScough*) the initiative has been taken up by others.

Should there be a concerted effort to reduce emissions AND sequester carbon, this problem can be successfully combated.  That's why there's this groundswell of scientists and citizens urging action, because there is still hope.  If there were no hope, we wouldn't need to do anything.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2017, 09:02:41 PM by Hydra009 »

Re: More on Climate Change
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 07:39:55 PM »
Stone age did not end because the stones ended.
So the petrolium age won't end because the petrolium reserves will end...

New phase will begin about generating energy at the age of we live in(post of the post modernism)
And it must begin, petrolium use is not sustainable. Reserves will end at the end.

« Last Edit: July 24, 2017, 07:46:23 PM by SoldierofFortune »

Offline Baruch

Re: More on Climate Change
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 06:44:39 AM »
Science - humans are powerful over everything
Religion - humans are powerless over anything

The truth lies somewhere in between.  But Club of Rome and Global Climate Change ... scotch the plans for capitalist or socialist utopia.  That is why people are upset.  It is expected that all people born will die and that since all species become extinct, that humans will to.  But that goes against Adam Smith and Karl Marx, who are like gods, gods I tell you!
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Offline Cavebear

Re: More on Climate Change
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2017, 05:01:30 AM »
Stone age did not end because the stones ended.
So the petrolium age won't end because the petrolium reserves will end...

New phase will begin about generating energy at the age of we live in(post of the post modernism)
And it must begin, petrolium use is not sustainable. Reserves will end at the end.

If civilization collapses today, there would still be flint and chert easily available to humans.  There would be some small amounts of metals.  There will NOT be easily accessible oil or natural gas. 

So what, they just built wind turbines.  Really?  With what?  They transport materials?  How?  You don't build solar panels from trees.  You don't haul rust (iron ore is rust) to a blast furnace on horseback. 

You just go back 10,000 years and you don't start forward again.  You just stay there.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950