Author Topic: Life on earth  (Read 413 times)

Re: Life on earth
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2017, 10:00:24 PM »
As happened during WW II, we'd refuse to take them.
Do you know how many Jewish refugees were admitted into the US from 1939 to 1945? The number is in six figures.
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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2017, 10:51:13 PM »
Do you know how many Jewish refugees were admitted into the US from 1939 to 1945? The number is in six figures.
Yeah, I guess you are correct.  I was thinking of one particular ship.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2017, 11:36:35 PM »
The SS St Louis.  Actually it was Cuba's fault ..

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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2017, 07:06:02 AM »
Yeah, I guess you are correct.  I was thinking of one particular ship.
Lot's of people have the same impression, and yeah, that's from the St. Louis movie.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2017, 10:25:48 AM »
Lot's of people have the same impression, and yeah, that's from the St. Louis movie.
Well, I stand corrected.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2017, 06:39:46 AM »
Neo-Nazis (who I do read posts from on other web sites) would claim ... that all the Jewish refugees were German Nazi agents trying to infiltrate our vital juices.  Good thing we blocked their entry!  But never fear, at least they weren't Muslims.
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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2017, 07:00:23 AM »
Neo-Nazis (who I do read posts from on other web sites) would claim ... that all the Jewish refugees were German Nazi agents trying to infiltrate our vital juices.  Good thing we blocked their entry!  But never fear, at least they weren't Muslims.
We had actually espionage and sabotage cases in WWI, plus the usual wild ass stories about the same of course, making suspicion of any entrant somewhat understandable. The insertion of German agents on June 12, 1942, just fueled the flames.
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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2017, 07:15:27 AM »
This is why people don't like good history.  The facts are inconvenient to our imaginations or our ideologies.
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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2017, 07:53:16 AM »
This is why people don't like good history.  The facts are inconvenient to our imaginations or our ideologies.
"Some" people don't like accurate history.
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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2017, 01:04:24 PM »
"Some" people don't like accurate history.

R accurate, D accurate, US accurate, Soviet accurate ... there is no taking politics out of it.  As long as events aren't simply made up.  But the interpretation of events is always political, going back to Herodotus.  Yes, Hitler gave the British a chance to surrender before Dunkirk was occupied.  And Churchill was smart to not take him up on it.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Life on earth
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2017, 12:52:11 PM »
Well, I stand corrected.
And this right here is the very core of rationalism vs. faith -- and why I stand with rationalism.  Give me "the data indicates..." over "because I said so!" any day.
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." -- Calvin and Hobbes
"I thought I committed regicide today, but I committed deicide!" -- Sadie Doyle, Beyond Belief

Offline Cavebear

Re: Life on earth
« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2017, 03:08:59 AM »
Yeah.  I think I lot of it is the context people hear the word theory.  Much of the time, it's either as a conspiracy theory or scientific theory.  People see a similar word and assume there's a similar process behind it.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes, its the "my theory is" when they hardly even have a hypothesis.  You can have an idea (sharks heal fast so there might be something useful about that).  Then you could develop a hypothesis (there IS something about their bodies through evolution that gives them that healing ability).  Then you could test that hypothesis by taking skin scrapings and blood samples to test their self-healing powers.  If true you might then have a theory about shark evolution and healing mechanisms.

That is a real example, BTW.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Life on earth
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2017, 07:36:07 AM »
Yes, its the "my theory is" when they hardly even have a hypothesis.
"My theory is" is often nothing more an expression of an idea, even one that gelled in two seconds.  The word, "theory" has been abused into oblivion.  A person will discredit a well documented principle as worthless because its only a theory.  But if that same person needs to add credibility to his last brain fart, he will refer to it as a theory.

Re: Life on earth
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2017, 11:14:27 AM »
R accurate, D accurate, US accurate, Soviet accurate ... there is no taking politics out of it.  As long as events aren't simply made up.  But the interpretation of events is always political, going back to Herodotus.  Yes, Hitler gave the British a chance to surrender before Dunkirk was occupied.  And Churchill was smart to not take him up on it.
You make up problems, that's cool.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

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Re: Life on earth
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2017, 10:22:12 PM »
You make up problems, that's cool.

Yeah, it isn't a problem, if someone agrees with you ;-)
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