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Offline Drich0150 (OP)

Now, if you are read....
« on: July 19, 2017, 02:19:50 PM »
Morality!!!

I am dividing this word into how we use it and how God would use it.

Now because man/you all have a version of this word I am calling man's morality just Morality or being moral.
Morality is man's attempt to establish a righteous standard based on the sin he or the society he lives in is willing to except Incorporated into that standard.

Morality is not God's version/Righteousness or God's Righteousness. God's Righteousness is a sinless standard no one can achieve/We were never meant to achieve.

Morality says: It is ok to lie to save your friend's life.

Righteousness says: it is always a sin to lie no matter what the reason.

God's righteousness is absolute, and never changes.

Man's Morality is on a sliding scale always identified by the lessor of two evils.

That said know that 'morality' is not the universal standard of good. Morality is a constantly changing to suit the the personal or civil righteousness of a community of people. What once was moral could now be considered a crime, and vise versa.

I say that to help those looking to frame questions based on "morality." Most of the time it is used an absolute standard when in fact it is not, and for those looking to judge the actions of God.

If you choose to judge God by your own standard of morality, then you use a righteousness apart from God's righteousness... a "Self-Righteousness."
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is Good. This is a charge meant for those who think themselves Christian. We are to question the foundational as well as the questionable, and hold on to the truth. Because I've done this my answers may be... Different than the typical Christian

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Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 02:34:13 PM »
Do you speak for god?
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Offline Munch

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 03:08:54 PM »
God killed innocent babies in your made up story. I have far more of a moral high ground then a fictional character made up and modified every generation.

If your going to dedicate your existence to a make believe character, at least choose one with a better standard.

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 04:26:43 PM »
Morality!!!

I am dividing this word into how we use it and how God would use it.

Now because man/you all have a version of this word I am calling man's morality just Morality or being moral.
Morality is man's attempt to establish a righteous standard based on the sin he or the society he lives in is willing to except Incorporated into that standard.

Morality is not God's version/Righteousness or God's Righteousness. God's Righteousness is a sinless standard no one can achieve/We were never meant to achieve.

Morality says: It is ok to lie to save your friend's life.

Righteousness says: it is always a sin to lie no matter what the reason.

God's righteousness is absolute, and never changes.

Man's Morality is on a sliding scale always identified by the lessor of two evils.

That said know that 'morality' is not the universal standard of good. Morality is a constantly changing to suit the the personal or civil righteousness of a community of people. What once was moral could now be considered a crime, and vise versa.

I say that to help those looking to frame questions based on "morality." Most of the time it is used an absolute standard when in fact it is not, and for those looking to judge the actions of God.

If you choose to judge God by your own standard of morality, then you use a righteousness apart from God's righteousness... a "Self-Righteousness."
There you go, Sport, foaming at the mouth.  You can chose to divide the world into whatever parts you want, big boy.  I chose to divide it by how people chose to make their morality--as they want it and as Bugs Bunny would have it.  There.  Let god and Bugs battle it out--they are both fictions.  Of course Bugs can't do anything--just as your god can't either--it's a fiction. 
Just because you throw a few words around like 'righteousness' and 'morality' doesn't mean it is a real concept.  They aren't since the base of all you foaming and frothing is simply fiction.
So, great dildo, you just continue to foam and froth setting up false arguments you think is based on the 'authority' of nothing--a fiction.  Be my guest.......................
Now if you are read................
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Drich0150 (OP)

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 05:24:25 PM »
Do you speak for god?

All Christ centered Christians do. in everything we think say and Do.
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is Good. This is a charge meant for those who think themselves Christian. We are to question the foundational as well as the questionable, and hold on to the truth. Because I've done this my answers may be... Different than the typical Christian

Offline Drich0150 (OP)

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 05:50:38 PM »
God killed innocent babies in your made up story. I have far more of a moral high ground then a fictional character made up and modified every generation.

If your going to dedicate your existence to a make believe character, at least choose one with a better standard.

So let's say God killed a million babies from the first to the last that he takes credit for. That is one a second 24/7 for almost 14 days!!!

That is a lot of baby meat. But IDK what if God simply welcomed them back Home and A either turned them loose in heaven or Bsent them back out into the world to be reborn to someone else who has a better life?

Still morality of man says killing babies is always wrong... unless you can rename the baby... or use a word from a dead language that translate 'baby.' Ie: FETUS (Latin for baby) Then morality says it is ok to kill babies not baby millions or hunderds of millions but almost 1.5 Billion... Meaning if you support a woman's right to choose to kill her child you support the death of 1.5 billion children since the Roe v wade verdict that have died.. Now these babies did the die being welcomed back by the father? did the get replugged in to another life? Does it matter because you/we don't know their fate. yet we do it anyway.. Remember when I said 14 days one every second? your "MoRaLITY" has a baby die every second for 75 years.

So with your great "morality meter" tell me who is the greater evil a God who command the death of a 1,000,000 babies (more like 100K from the first to the last campaign, but will conceed you a million rounding way way up) of enmy's of the state, not to forget this God can care for or redirect those children spirits,

 Or is the bigger evil a people who have already killed 1.5 billion babies since 1973 with no end insight all because a woman does not want to change her life style... Something you and your morality supports.. Just fyi that is one baby a second killed for 100 years 24/7 365

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Yet your morality demands God is evil??? :histerical:
Here it should be obvious you can not even stand up to scrutiny by your own standard.. So where then do you have the authority to judge God?
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is Good. This is a charge meant for those who think themselves Christian. We are to question the foundational as well as the questionable, and hold on to the truth. Because I've done this my answers may be... Different than the typical Christian

Offline Munch

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 06:03:31 PM »
where do I have the authority to judge god. Hmm, oh thats a tough one. Maybe its the fact its not god I'm judging, but the insane ramblings of a theist who thinks his 'god' is real, and goes into defensive mode whenever someone brings it up.

I remember reading about a gay porn star once, who performed every kind of sex act with other men, orgies, bareback, the works, and all though it, he refused to get treatment for hepatitis, HIV, syphilis, any of it, because he believed he wasn't infected and couldn't be, and yet when it became full blown ill from all the infections he picked up, he then believes praying to god would cure him of those diseases, and he refused to ever accept medication for it.

Its the same as nuns who thought curing people with prayer was a more effective medical act then using medicine, such as mother teresa, who was a fraud letting people suffer and die in her 'houses of healing', and yet christians still believe she was somehow helping people, when it was just the church covering up the reality of what she was doing.

See, I don't have to judge your god, because he isn't real, he's fictional. I can however judge you, and call you a fucking idiot for believing in such things you should have stopped believing in when you were past 8 years old. As i've used on this thread before, do you also believe in father christmas? If using your own logic, he must me real to, because a five year old says he is.

Offline Drich0150 (OP)

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 06:08:53 PM »
There you go, Sport, foaming at the mouth.
just trying to help people such as yourself to rightly divide the word you all misuse. I want to simply remind you that just because you have a definition of a word, does not mean it is the only or even right one.

 
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You can chose to divide the world into whatever parts you want, big boy.
  Here's the thing sport, Most of you will acknoweledge that the word morality as found in the bible does not have the same meaning as the word you use. So I was explain to all who want to understand what the difference was explaining why your defination is different that say anyone else not of the culture.

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I chose to divide it by how people chose to make their morality--as they want it and as Bugs Bunny would have it.
  And if you could read... I made that distinction.

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There.  Let god and Bugs battle it out--they are both fictions.  Of course Bugs can't do anything--just as your god can't either--it's a fiction.
  Here's the thing midol.. God is not the only one who has not adopted your standard. Pretty much anyone not Caucasian or western by birth would find your morality .... different. I know you were taught to think the world revolves around ou and so long as you are not hurting anyone you should get what you want... S sorry bigun, but the rest of the world does not work that way. You can etch out a little corner and ake everyone who comes into your world behave that way, but if and only if you wish to live outside your bubble, you are going to have to back burner your sense of self inspired righteousness.

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Just because you throw a few words around like 'righteousness' and 'morality' doesn't mean it is a real concept.  They aren't since the base of all you foaming and frothing is simply fiction.
and just because you say these are not concepts does not make that statement true. The fact that 1/2 the respondents on this thread decided to judge God with their version of morality kinda indicates the vast majority of even your people yield to this idea of right and wrong even if you want to pretend otherwise.

BTW not a game I play when hypocrites such as yourself tend to harshly judge others for not being like them. If you want to pretend there is no morality then you have to do a little more work to establish that belief n your writing before you can just 'proclaim' there is no morality.
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So, great dildo, you just continue to foam and froth setting up false arguments you think is based on the 'authority' of nothing--a fiction.  Be my guest.......................
Now if you are read................
then why participate?
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is Good. This is a charge meant for those who think themselves Christian. We are to question the foundational as well as the questionable, and hold on to the truth. Because I've done this my answers may be... Different than the typical Christian

Online Shiranu

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 06:16:15 PM »
"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..." - Nelson Mandela

"There are not two sides to bigotry and there are not two sides to hatred." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

Offline Drich0150 (OP)

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 06:26:42 PM »
where do I have the authority to judge god. Hmm, oh thats a tough one. Maybe its the fact its not god I'm judging, but the insane ramblings of a theist who thinks his 'god' is real, and goes into defensive mode whenever someone brings it up.
then why not judge my action doomas? why bring up God kill a million babies? did I kill a million babies? did I kill any? then how is it I am being judged you moron? you just step on your dingus when you went down this road and now you think you cn back pedal out by saying "oh, look at me I can't be arguing or judgeing God because I 'm and atheist and as you know atheist simply say God does not exist!" AGAIN IF that were true why bring up the babies God killed moron?

For that moment you were ready to go on a god/witch hunt and get your pound of flesh, then when you realized this conversation was way waaaaay to deep for you, you coped out.

Nice Job atheist. way to think that one through.

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I remember reading about a gay porn star once, who performed every kind of sex act with other men, orgies, bareback, the works, and all though it, he refused to get treatment for hepatitis, HIV, syphilis, any of it, because he believed he wasn't infected and couldn't be, and yet when it became full blown ill from all the infections he picked up, he then believes praying to god would cure him of those diseases, and he refused to ever accept medication for it.
Now cums the part where you try and shock and disgst me into saying something that makes me the moral monster... Oh God hates fags or God bla bla bla. Here's a thought sport... What If I don't belive homosexuality is the unforgivable sin? What if I think it is a sin like any other? What if... I say there will be gay guys in Heaven??? Just kinda put you back on the spot for trying to use gay to make me out to be a villian huh??? You are using gay people for your own lack of originality. your not even smart enough to formulate you own conversation reversals...

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Its the same as nuns who thought curing people with prayer was a more effective medical act then using medicine, such as mother teresa, who was a fraud letting people suffer and die in her 'houses of healing', and yet christians still believe she was somehow helping people, when it was just the church covering up the reality of what she was doing.
Holy crap did you just... Are you so serious as to think I am one of those faithers who can take asprine???  :biglaugh: you are all over the place desperatly looking for buttons to push huh??? Man you must hate H_A_T_E being put on the spot like this to go this far... Let just say no, I use drugs and doctors and move on Kinda feel bad for you to have gone here.

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See, I don't have to judge your god,
but again b-hole you kinda did when you brough up the babies. I asked several question about all the babies you are responsible for and how is it you are a better person for doing the same if not much much worse and yet here we are. my questions unanswered and you desperatly seeking a panic stop out of the conversation. sum it up???

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because he isn't real, he's fictional.
if that where true then why bring up acts attributed to Him? if you were judging me why not bring up my acts???

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I can however judge you, and call you a fucking idiot for believing in such things you should have stopped believing in when you were past 8 years old. As i've used on this thread before, do you also believe in father christmas? If using your own logic, he must me real to, because a five year old says he is.
What a great and shinning example of a true atheist 'thinker' Hard at work. I am sure none of your peers had to cringe through this last exchange while you took your licks, as i pointed out one hypocritical comment after another.
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is Good. This is a charge meant for those who think themselves Christian. We are to question the foundational as well as the questionable, and hold on to the truth. Because I've done this my answers may be... Different than the typical Christian

Online Shiranu

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2017, 06:41:44 PM »
"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..." - Nelson Mandela

"There are not two sides to bigotry and there are not two sides to hatred." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

Offline Baruch

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 07:12:20 PM »
Do you speak for god?

I speak for myself, because I am a demigod ... and so can you, because so are you.  Drich is mistaken, because he thinks he speaks for more than himself.  All gods are projections of our inner selves.  Fictional yes, but powerful as any other ideal can be.  Of course the inner selves of monkey men, can be ... problematic.  One gnostic I know, simply insists that if you are going to be theistic, you should always choose the best possible god, even if it is only in your head.  The god in your head, effects what you think, say or do.
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Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 07:39:10 PM »
So let's say God killed a million babies from the first to the last that he takes credit for. That is one a second 24/7 for almost 14 days!!!

14 days? Nice dodge. But that is not the real point. A REAL god would not create a world where living creatures had to eat other living creatures, nor  a world where living creatures were being eaten by other creatures and then.....have the temerity to suggest "it" has the fucking moral high ground. Go fuck your pretend piece of shit god. Really, your god is the most pathetic useless immoral, vicious and sadistic piece of shit that humanity has ever invented....and then worshipped...since humans, three thousand years ago thought just like "him"....odd that, to us, but not to you......
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Munch

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 08:18:43 PM »
I speak for myself, because I am a demigod ... and so can you, because so are you.  Drich is mistaken, because he thinks he speaks for more than himself.  All gods are projections of our inner selves.  Fictional yes, but powerful as any other ideal can be.  Of course the inner selves of monkey men, can be ... problematic.  One gnostic I know, simply insists that if you are going to be theistic, you should always choose the best possible god, even if it is only in your head.  The god in your head, effects what you think, say or do.

honestly Baruch, this is why I like you so much, you think well outside the box.

Offline Baruch

Re: Now, if you are read....
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 08:26:20 PM »
honestly Baruch, this is why I like you so much, you think well outside the box.

I am what is outside the box ... Hollow-man.
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