What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?

Started by pr126, July 12, 2017, 01:26:54 AM

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Atheon

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Baruch

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Atheon on July 12, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
One has a Q and the other has a W.

The most obvious is most often right.  Remington's Razor...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 08:02:05 AM
The most obvious is most often right.  Remington's Razor...

I liked my paradox shaving so well, I bought the whole logic ...
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Ibn Khaldun


I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran

I wouldn’t go about it  that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed .  That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major  issue .

her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched  with  eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the  eagle .nails ,etc.

if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.

Baruch

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 08, 2017, 06:46:09 AM
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran

I wouldn’t go about it  that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed .  That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major  issue .

her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched  with  eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the  eagle .nails ,etc.

if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.

You may be too smart to post here.  Brights who enter the room, only get complaints from the Dims, for blinding them ;-)

Shia are the Catholics of Islam.  In Islam, Protestantism happened first.  So they are already Reformed from the beginning.  And they had their Enlightenment before the West, with the falsafa (philosophers).  I am a fan of Medieval Islamic-Jewish theology myself.  The Christians had gone thru a similar process in the Roman period, mixing Christianity up with Platonism (initially).  Mixing with Aristotelianism came much later.  The Christians getting theirs from Aristotelian Muslims.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 08, 2017, 06:46:09 AM
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran

I wouldn’t go about it  that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed .  That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major  issue .

her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched  with  eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the  eagle .nails ,etc.

if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.

Spare us the teaching.  You won't get any converts here. 

Was that middle paragraph Moslem porn? 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Ibn Khaldun

convert you to what? listen conversion has rules , one being  you have to be useful in Islam, else  you get your head taken off. Catholicism , i really doubt they would want to convert you . lets not flatter  oneself . and try to talk to the topic . .

Baruch

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 09, 2017, 06:26:13 AM
convert you to what? listen conversion has rules , one being  you have to be useful in Islam, else  you get your head taken off. Catholicism , i really doubt they would want to convert you . lets not flatter  oneself . and try to talk to the topic . .

On Ta'reed ...

http://www.qariqasim.com/2012/02/22/prohibition-of-lying-in-islam/

You sure talk a lot about Islam, for a Catholic ;-)

Takiyya was invented by Shites to keep their heads, living in Sunni regimes.  In rabbinic Judaism, gossiping is considered the second worst sin after murder, because gossiping (something we are doing all the time about our favorite politicians) is murder of a person's reputation.  Unfortunately, there is a lot of "fake news" going back to the founding of every religion, since religion is an exercise in human imagination.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
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Don't do that.

pr126

QuoteTakiyya was invented by Shites to keep their heads, living in Sunni regimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4wBeshTsw

pr126

#11
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Quoteone being  you have to be useful in Islam, else  you get your head taken off.

Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.

Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?

Cavebear

Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.

Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?

I agree with PR,  So now I am going to gag in the toilet...  LOL!
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

#13
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.

Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?

S a l a f i s t s want you to do more, to convert, reaffirm.  But they are heretics.  The Dwim here literally won't let me type what I want.  I have to fake it out.  Newspeak is here!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

pr126

To be useful in Islam is to fight in the way of Allah, slay and be slain for theirs shall be the garden
Quran 9:111