Author Topic: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?  (Read 638 times)

Offline pr126 (OP)

What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« on: July 12, 2017, 01:26:54 AM »

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Offline Atheon

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2017, 01:35:47 AM »
One has a Q and the other has a W.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Offline Baruch

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2017, 02:07:23 AM »
Humans habitually lie, Muslim or not.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 08:02:05 AM »
One has a Q and the other has a W.

The most obvious is most often right.  Remington's Razor...
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Offline Baruch

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 01:02:48 PM »
The most obvious is most often right.  Remington's Razor...

I liked my paradox shaving so well, I bought the whole logic ...
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Offline Ibn Khaldun

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 06:46:09 AM »

I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran

I wouldn’t go about it  that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed .  That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major  issue .

 her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched  with  eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the  eagle .nails ,etc.

if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.

Offline Baruch

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 07:21:31 AM »
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran

I wouldn’t go about it  that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed .  That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major  issue .

 her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched  with  eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the  eagle .nails ,etc.

if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.

You may be too smart to post here.  Brights who enter the room, only get complaints from the Dims, for blinding them ;-)

Shia are the Catholics of Islam.  In Islam, Protestantism happened first.  So they are already Reformed from the beginning.  And they had their Enlightenment before the West, with the falsafa (philosophers).  I am a fan of Medieval Islamic-Jewish theology myself.  The Christians had gone thru a similar process in the Roman period, mixing Christianity up with Platonism (initially).  Mixing with Aristotelianism came much later.  The Christians getting theirs from Aristotelian Muslims.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2017, 03:01:22 AM »
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran

I wouldn’t go about it  that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed .  That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major  issue .

 her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched  with  eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the  eagle .nails ,etc.

if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.

Spare us the teaching.  You won't get any converts here. 

Was that middle paragraph Moslem porn? 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Offline Ibn Khaldun

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2017, 06:26:13 AM »
convert you to what? listen conversion has rules , one being  you have to be useful in Islam, else  you get your head taken off. Catholicism , i really doubt they would want to convert you . lets not flatter  oneself . and try to talk to the topic . .

Offline Baruch

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2017, 06:57:07 AM »
convert you to what? listen conversion has rules , one being  you have to be useful in Islam, else  you get your head taken off. Catholicism , i really doubt they would want to convert you . lets not flatter  oneself . and try to talk to the topic . .

On Ta'reed ...

http://www.qariqasim.com/2012/02/22/prohibition-of-lying-in-islam/

You sure talk a lot about Islam, for a Catholic ;-)

Takiyya was invented by Shites to keep their heads, living in Sunni regimes.  In rabbinic Judaism, gossiping is considered the second worst sin after murder, because gossiping (something we are doing all the time about our favorite politicians) is murder of a person's reputation.  Unfortunately, there is a lot of "fake news" going back to the founding of every religion, since religion is an exercise in human imagination.
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2017, 08:51:22 AM »
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Takiyya was invented by Shites to keep their heads, living in Sunni regimes.


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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2017, 09:10:20 AM »
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
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one being  you have to be useful in Islam, else  you get your head taken off.

Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.

Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 10:56:57 AM »
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.

Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?

I agree with PR,  So now I am going to gag in the toilet...  LOL!
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Offline Baruch

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 12:55:54 PM »
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.

Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?

S a l a f i s t s want you to do more, to convert, reaffirm.  But they are heretics.  The Dwim here literally won't let me type what I want.  I have to fake it out.  Newspeak is here!
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: What's the Difference Between Taqiyya and Tawriya?
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 01:09:44 PM »
To be useful in Islam is to fight in the way of Allah, slay and be slain for theirs shall be the garden
 Quran 9:111
“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper