Author Topic: A question for the ex-Christian atheists  (Read 1682 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2017, 06:59:59 AM »
Last stage isn't atheism, it is cynicism (in the modern sense).  Read Ecclesiastes, old man?
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Offline SGOS

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2017, 07:13:22 AM »
Last stage isn't atheism, it is cynicism (in the modern sense).  Read Ecclesiastes, old man?
The last stage is death.  Cynicism, atheism, skepticism are just realizations along the way, and they don't come in any order requiring one to be final.  And forget what Ecclesiastes says about it.  That's a just a chapter from a book of what is basically rubbish. Not my first choice as a go to reference when I need to understand something.

Offline Baruch

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2017, 07:20:25 AM »
The last stage is death.  Cynicism, atheism, skepticism are just realizations along the way, and they don't come in any order requiring one to be final.  And forget what Ecclesiastes says about it.  That's a just a chapter from a book of what is basically rubbish. Not my first choice as a go to reference when I need to understand something.

Well maybe you haven't had the last bit of idealism kicked out of your crotch yet.  Ecclesiastes and Job speak to me, you can refer to your DSM V manual if you like.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2017, 10:20:24 AM »
The last stage is death.  Cynicism, atheism, skepticism are just realizations along the way, and they don't come in any order requiring one to be final.  And forget what Ecclesiastes says about it.  That's a just a chapter from a book of what is basically rubbish. Not my first choice as a go to reference when I need to understand something.

I understand.  I'm 67 and beginning to understand my eventual death.  But none of that involves any afterlife.  Just mundane things like making a list of places for Executor to tell I'm dead so they won't bother with wondering why I vanished, the few objects I have of non-obvious value, what do do with my cats, etc.  Practical stuff. 

The legal stuff is all in my Will, but there are a lot of minor things that aren't legal matters.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2017, 10:42:59 AM »
Last stage isn't atheism, it is cynicism (in the modern sense).  Read Ecclesiastes, old man?
You have that backwards--cynicism and then atheism; the default for any person who can reason.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline trdsf

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2017, 12:48:57 PM »
I believe its the implication you were never a Christian to start with, suggesting you have no past understanding of the meaning of Christianity and so have no basis to criticize it.

I've never been islamic, but it doesn't take being born into an Islamic culture to know it's practices and beliefs are awful too.
I figured, but I wanted to hear Flee's terms rather than assume.

I had actually been quite an enthusiastic little Catholic -- altar boy, lector, even toyed with the idea of going to a seminary and taking vows, went to one of the top Catholic high schools in the nation.  I aver that I had been very much a convinced believer at one point in my life.

Happily, I learned better.
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." -- Calvin and Hobbes
"I thought I committed regicide today, but I committed deicide!" -- Sadie Doyle, Beyond Belief

Offline Cavebear

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2017, 01:21:09 PM »
Let me make sure every new poster understands...  I am not Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Moslem, Satanist, Bhuddist, etc.  I am atheist.  Non-theist.  Not-theist.  No belief in any deity and that includes "good" ones, "bad" ones and sci-fi ones.  OK?  Any suggestion I was, am, or ever will be is inaccurate just annoys the crap out of me..

Just saying that because some posters just can't get it through their thick skulls that SOME PEOPLE have no theistic beliefs and superstitions and aren't going to be convinced other wise by idiots quoting religious texts.  May their breakfast cereal be filled with mouse-droppings...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2017, 05:18:29 PM »
Also, I don't 'deny' the existence of a deity.  Denial implies there is something provisionally demonstrated to gainsay.  On the grounds of the total and complete lack of evidence, I have no cause to accept the hypothesis in the first place.

Yep, as Charles Bradlaugh pointed out,

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The atheist does not say," There is no God", but he says, "I know not what you mean by God"; the word God is to me a sound conveying no clear or distinct affirmation.
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“Money supplants skill; it's possession allows us to become happily stupid.”
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Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2017, 05:24:59 PM »
Any suggestion I was, am, or ever will be is inaccurate just annoys the crap out of me..
Do cavebears get the crap annoyed out of them in the woods?


Sorry, just thought I'd beat Baruch to it...
God Not Found
“Money supplants skill; it's possession allows us to become happily stupid.”
Bill McKibben, The Age of Missing Information

Offline Baruch

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2017, 08:02:43 PM »
"the word God is to me a sound conveying no clear or distinct affirmation."  I find this is true of most mutterings of ape men.  Their mouths move, but it doesn't mean anything.  See, rhetorically, let someone define your words for you ... and you are a loser.  And if you corner them, they will say ... but those words don't mean anything.

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ܬܥ ܘܘܪܕ ܓܘܕ  ܝܣ ܛܘ ܡܥ ܐ ܣܘܘܢܕ ܟܘܢܒܥܝܝܢܓ ܢܘ ܟܠܥܐܪ ܘܪ ܕܝܣܛܝܢܟܛ ܐܦܦܝܪܡܐܛܝܘܢ

Ah yes, if you can't read the words, then they must mean nothing.  Or you are illiterate.
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Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #70 on: August 11, 2017, 04:00:27 PM »
Well, they seem to mean nothing at all to Google, so I guess Google is illiterate...
God Not Found
“Money supplants skill; it's possession allows us to become happily stupid.”
Bill McKibben, The Age of Missing Information

Offline Baruch

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2017, 07:14:43 PM »
Well, they seem to mean nothing at all to Google, so I guess Google is illiterate...

The Deep State is blind and deaf.  Like King Lear, it is too decrepit to rule wisely.  Its children betray it.

AI is magical thinking applied to technology.  If there was real AI, Google Translate could easily figure out what I wrote.  Maybe if you can find a few British cross-word puzzle enthusiasts from 1940 ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: A question for the ex-Christian atheists
« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2017, 04:26:34 AM »
Do cavebears get the crap annoyed out of them in the woods?


Sorry, just thought I'd beat Baruch to it...

We crap freely.  And we pee in the waters beer is made of (that's why it is yellow).
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950