Author Topic: when God shows up  (Read 2272 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: when God shows up
« Reply #225 on: July 22, 2017, 07:16:30 PM »
All popes since Pope Liberius (died 366 CE) are anti-popes anyway.  There was a struggle under Pope Liberius, between the Church and the Emperor, who created his own Pope Felix II to support his policies.  Eventually the people of Rome drove out Pope Felix II.  Pope Liberius' successor, Pope Damasus was supported by the by the Emperor and upper class supporters of the previous anti-Pope, Pope Felix II.  The opposing Pope Ursinus, elected by the Roman people ... was supported by the lower class supporters of Pope Liberius.  The supporters of Pope Damasus ... massacred the supporters of Pope Ursinus, and Ursinus was exiled.

Subsequent official propaganda put Pope Damasus as the legitimate pope instead of Pope Ursinus.  Thus permanently polluting the succession with a man who had Roman blood on his hands, but the support of the upper class and the Emperor.  And yes, in this case, the winners wrote the history (including St Jerome and St Ambrose).  But per Catholic canon law, the entire chain has to be legitimate, or the connection to St Peter is severed.  But then ... the Emperors had created the Catholic Church as an instrument of their imperialism.
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Online Cavebear

Re: when God shows up
« Reply #226 on: July 28, 2017, 03:45:24 AM »
Well ... remember the quality of data storage back in the first few centuries CE.  So the people in 325 CE knew that facts better than the people who lived them in the first and second centuries.  (If you buy that, I still have a bridge you can buy.)

Constantine had the Council of Nicaea formed to create a universal ("catholic") Christianity, because there were hundreds of competing sects.  (Aththe CoN alone, there were 3 major sects, Arianists, Unitarians and Trinitarians.)  So they talked, threatened, beat, whatever, and came up with 73 books that were "correct" and many that weren't and weren't included.

And people are supposed to accept that a group of people acting like 5 year olds in a sandbox actually got something right?  They didn't even know who wrote the books or when they were written.  And they missed all the contradictions.

More good evidence that anything decided by committee is usually idiotic.  I even made a career out of seeing what most people thought as a group and doing the opposite.  When in doubt, think for yourself. 

Emphasis on "THINK" though.
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