Abortion in Texas

[GrinningYMIR]

I dunno if this has been talked about already here, but for those of you who don't know Texas recently passed a bill that put severe restrictions on abortion.

one of the biggest things is that its requiring all mothers to give a funeral for the aborted fetus, and cremation regardless of time passed

does the state really have the legal right to enforce that?

[Baruch]

Yes and no.  This is the existing law, not something proposed ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Senate_Bill_5 ... see the last sentence for the current situation.

Technically, a state can pass any laws it wants, and until a State or Federal court quashes all or part of it, it is law.  Welcome to democracy.

[SGOS]

Requiring a proper funeral for an aborted fetus seems like a lot of unnecessary fal der ral, but it does establish with great finality that an unborn fetus is a person.  After all, you wouldn't have a funeral for an unperson. 

And by having a funeral, it creates a venue for protests and shame that could not otherwise be heaped on any woman who doesn't want to bear a child.  Such wickedness would simply pass by unnoticed.  But with a forced funeral, fundamentalists can attend and scream, "Whore!" 

[Baruch]

Requiring a proper funeral for an aborted fetus seems like a lot of unnecessary fal der ral, but it does establish with great finality that an unborn fetus is a person.  After all, you wouldn't have a funeral for an unperson. 

And by having a funeral, it creates a venue for protests and shame that could not otherwise be heaped on any woman who doesn't want to bear a child.  Such wickedness would simply pass by unnoticed.  But with a forced funeral, fundamentalists can attend and scream, "Whore!"

Yes, much like the Scarlet Letter ;-(  Japanese mothers who abort, optionally set up memorials for their departed pregnancies.  They are more civilized than the Americans.  To us, human beings are cattle.

[aitm]

I would tell the funeral home I cannot pay them, but go ahead anyway. See how that works.

[GrinningYMIR]

I know it's a state vs federal issue but to me it seems cruel and unusual

[Baruch]

I know it's a state vs federal issue but to me it seems cruel and unusual

Yes, the powerful hate the weak, the wealthy hate the poor ... demons hate angels too.

[Baruch]

I would tell the funeral home I cannot pay them, but go ahead anyway. See how that works.

We have resumed debt prison, and the government can charge you for its services and lock you up until you pay.

[SGOS]

Yes, much like the Scarlet Letter ;-(  Japanese mothers who abort, optionally set up memorials for their departed pregnancies.  They are more civilized than the Americans.  To us, human beings are cattle.

I guess some would measure civilization by standards that don't impress me.

[Baruch]

I guess some would measure civilization by standards that don't impress me.

There are cultural practices and artifacts that don't impress me either.  This isn't limited to non-US cultures.  Female circumcision for instance.  But unless you are a woman who has had an abortion ... your opinion isn't needed (and I didn't give my opinion either, just noted a practice) in regards to what they do after an abortion.

[SGOS]

There are cultural practices and artifacts that don't impress me either.  This isn't limited to non-US cultures.  Female circumcision for instance.  But unless you are a woman who has had an abortion ... your opinion isn't needed (and I didn't give my opinion either, just noted a practice) in regards to what they do after an abortion.

I agree that male opinions on abortion are irrelevant.  But in your opinion, "They are more civilized than the Americans," uses a Japanese abortion ritual as the unit of measurement for this comparison.

 

[Shiranu]

I would by no means call the Japanese more civilized than Americans. At best it's a wash.

To answer ops question, yes until a higher court decides it violates a federal law.

Also, autocorrect to freak law. That sounds like a better system of law... whips and hot wax are now mandatory. And nipple clamps.

[Baruch]

I agree that male opinions on abortion are irrelevant.  But in your opinion, "They are more civilized than the Americans," uses a Japanese abortion ritual as the unit of measurement for this comparison.

Post abortion ritual ... rituals are a part of how most people live.  Mind you, the Japanese aren't perfect, nobody is.  But Americans are ... culturally barbaric in many respects.  Most of us are of Kurgan descent.

Of course, chauvinism being what it is, Japanese figure they are the master race.  Americans future they are post-racial ... are the master nation.  Both are wrong.

[Mermaid]

I fucking hate people.

[Baruch]

I fucking hate people.

I wish people were nicer too.  I understand where you are coming from (somewhat).