Author Topic: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality  (Read 263 times)

Offline trdsf (OP)

Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 03:29:55 PM »
And just to follow up on those roughly half-million ancestors from 500 years ago: that's actually half a million positions on the family tree, not half a million individuals.  It's statistically certain that individuals occupied multiple positions in my ancestry, and probably even across multiple generations.

Of course, to throw a little further perspective on this, I can do no better than to quote Robert Anton Wilson:

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Most of our ancestors were not perfect ladies and gentlemen. The majority of them weren't even mammals.
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 03:46:49 PM »
According to this:

http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-many-people-have-ever-lived-on-planet-earth

There have been 108.2 billion people that have lived on Earth. That's a lot of ancestors, considering I have no idea who either of my parents were!
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2017, 08:10:03 PM »
According to this:

http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-many-people-have-ever-lived-on-planet-earth

There have been 108.2 billion people that have lived on Earth. That's a lot of ancestors, considering I have no idea who either of my parents were!

Your genes know, approximately, who your biological parents were.  But the really important parents are the one's who raise you.
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Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 10:18:26 PM »
There's a term for the phenomenon of finding a single person in multiple places in your ancestry: Pedigree collapse.
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Offline trdsf (OP)

Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2017, 07:55:30 AM »
There's a term for the phenomenon of finding a single person in multiple places in your ancestry: Pedigree collapse.
And it's something we all have -- that we must have, in fact, since it's not possible to have more distinct ancestors than there were/are total people that have ever lived.

Parallel to that, if you're European or of recent European stock, you're descended from Charlemagne.  Congratulations, Your Highness.  :)
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2017, 12:38:48 PM »
And it's something we all have -- that we must have, in fact, since it's not possible to have more distinct ancestors than there were/are total people that have ever lived.

Parallel to that, if you're European or of recent European stock, you're descended from Charlemagne.  Congratulations, Your Highness.  :)

More recently, King Charles II of GB really got around a lot ;-)  Most US Presidents are descended from him.  Obama is a cousin of Cheney.  Inbreeding.
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2017, 05:50:25 PM »
Your genes know, approximately, who your biological parents were.  But the really important parents are the one's who raise you.
Well, I was adopted when I was 3, then those folks got divorced when I was 10, and I went to a boy's camp for a couple of years. Then I went to a foster home for four years, then I was in an orphanage for a couple of years, then got in trouble with the law and was "encouraged" to join the service when I was 17.


So, who raised me?
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 05:54:46 PM »
And it's something we all have -- that we must have, in fact, since it's not possible to have more distinct ancestors than there were/are total people that have ever lived.

Parallel to that, if you're European or of recent European stock, you're descended from Charlemagne.  Congratulations, Your Highness.  :)
And if not him, then Genghis Khan:


1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 06:05:00 PM »
Well, I was adopted when I was 3, then those folks got divorced when I was 10, and I went to a boy's camp for a couple of years. Then I went to a foster home for four years, then I was in an orphanage for a couple of years, then got in trouble with the law and was "encouraged" to join the service when I was 17.


So, who raised me?

It could even be the favorite authors/characters you read before you were 21.  Have any real or fictional heroes you take after?  My situation was more stable, so I was able to imprint off my adoptive parents (their good points only).  But I have had many real and fictional heroes, because of all I have read.  I am still growing ... over 12 feet tall now.
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2017, 06:23:21 PM »
I didn't spend much time reading in those days. So no idols, no heroes, role models. It was purely an act of self-creation.
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2017, 11:19:43 PM »
I didn't spend much time reading in those days. So no idols, no heroes, role models. It was purely an act of self-creation.

Sorry, but psychotic individualism ... isn't a good thing.  I am sure you took after some musicians, movie stars or sports stars.  Are you sure you weren't kept locked in a basement for 40 years and dreamt the rest of it?
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Re: Loose Thoughts About Physical Reality
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2017, 05:00:24 PM »
Not at all sure...
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