Author Topic: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.  (Read 7257 times)

Offline Cavebear

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2018, 09:35:22 AM »
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But did you understand ... that there is more than one way to do anything, and a smart person doesn't rule any method out, but uses whichever applies at any given time.  Without diachrony there is no cause-effect, no history.  But synchrony is useful sometimes.

You mean as an analysis of change over time?  Yeah.  Though I think "spacetime" is nearly the same.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2018, 10:01:15 AM »
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You mean as an analysis of change over time?  Yeah.  Though I think "spacetime" is nearly the same.

Yes.  But don't mistake the tool for the work.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2018, 10:46:28 AM »
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Yes.  But don't mistake the tool for the work.

Spacetime is not a tool.. Get with the program...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2018, 01:41:45 PM »
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Spacetime is not a tool.. Get with the program...

Spacetime is an idea, used by humans, to work relativity problems with.  It isn't the Bahamas, that Columbus has discovered.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2018, 02:28:18 PM »
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Spacetime is an idea, used by humans, to work relativity problems with.  It isn't the Bahamas, that Columbus has discovered.

The Science Channel declared last night that Spacetime is "everything there is".  You arguing with them too now?  ;)
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Offline Baruch

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2018, 04:49:15 PM »
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The Science Channel declared last night that Spacetime is "everything there is".  You arguing with them too now?  ;)

No everything is a whole number - Pythagoras.

Actually the idea that spacetime is everything, is from William Clifford, and even predates Relativity by decades.  In spite of much effort, this hasn't entirely worked out (but QFT is close).

Everything is virtual particles of the various quantum fields, zipping into and out of existence per Heisenberg.  It is a mystery why there is more than one field, why they have the forms and interactions that they do, and why they have 4 non-euclidean degrees of freedom (aka spacetime).
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2018, 06:18:56 PM »
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No everything is a whole number - Pythagoras.

Actually the idea that spacetime is everything, is from William Clifford, and even predates Relativity by decades.  In spite of much effort, this hasn't entirely worked out (but QFT is close).

Everything is virtual particles of the various quantum fields, zipping into and out of existence per Heisenberg.  It is a mystery why there is more than one field, why they have the forms and interactions that they do, and why they have 4 non-euclidean degrees of freedom (aka spacetime).

The most popular current version of reality, maybe.  And keep in mind that Heisenberg made up the dead/not dead cat as sarcasm...

And with that, I retire.  To where I may or may not be asleep, and sleeping, perchance to dream of being awake or not and I won't know until I awake and consider whether I am a person dreaming I am a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming I am a person, while I might well be a cockroach anyway!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2018, 08:45:12 PM »
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The most popular current version of reality, maybe.  And keep in mind that Heisenberg made up the dead/not dead cat as sarcasm...

And with that, I retire.  To where I may or may not be asleep, and sleeping, perchance to dream of being awake or not and I won't know until I awake and consider whether I am a person dreaming I am a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming I am a person, while I might well be a cockroach anyway!

Retired to bed, but not soon enough.  Schroedinger, not Heisenberg.  They even hated each other.  And stop reading Kafka, or you will wake up Jewish.  Not likely as an early Chinese person.
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Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2018, 02:29:32 PM »
Here's a good talk about how we know evolution is true:


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Offline Baruch

Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2018, 07:07:45 PM »
Devolution is definitely real.  Been a witness for over 6 decades.
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Re: Darwin for Toddlers. It's Not that Complicated.
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2018, 08:28:04 PM »
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Why can't I get away with selectively breeding humans?


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