Author Topic: Fewer Americans Than Ever Hold Creationist Views  (Read 1731 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Fewer Americans Than Ever Hold Creationist Views
« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2017, 09:07:26 PM »
I was absolutely taken with that movie, it was so ... antiquarian ;-)  Did you know that Cyrano de Bergerac was the first European to write science fiction?  Also it was his idea, about the king and queen of the moon (the king being played by Robin Williams in this movie).  Lunacy was never so funny.  Also the Baron is the only one who ever solved the problem of "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" ... though in fact he did pull himself and his horse out of the mire, by pulling on his own pony tail.  The full version of The Travels of Gulliver was wonderful too ... the view of reality in 1700 was so naive and quaint ... so unlike the awful last 200 years.

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Offline trdsf

Re: Fewer Americans Than Ever Hold Creationist Views
« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2017, 10:28:50 AM »
I think I've found a soul-mate! I idolize Baron Munchhausen:

That's my idea how to spend an afterlife!
And if I can't have that kind of afterlife, I'll take oblivion, thanks. :)
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." -- Calvin and Hobbes
"I thought I committed regicide today, but I committed deicide!" -- Sadie Doyle, Beyond Belief

Offline Baruch

Re: Fewer Americans Than Ever Hold Creationist Views
« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2017, 12:43:03 PM »
And if I can't have that kind of afterlife, I'll take oblivion, thanks. :)

But being a science demigod is OK?

So you want to be Q?

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Re: Fewer Americans Than Ever Hold Creationist Views
« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2017, 03:27:57 PM »
I was absolutely taken with that movie, it was so ... antiquarian ;-)  Did you know that Cyrano de Bergerac was the first European to write science fiction?  Also it was his idea, about the king and queen of the moon (the king being played by Robin Williams in this movie).  Lunacy was never so funny.  Also the Baron is the only one who ever solved the problem of "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" ... though in fact he did pull himself and his horse out of the mire, by pulling on his own pony tail.  The full version of The Travels of Gulliver was wonderful too ... the view of reality in 1700 was so naive and quaint ... so unlike the awful last 200 years.

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Yeah, I remember seeing that, I thought it was a really fun movie! Who'd've thought Ted Danson could be so good?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Fewer Americans Than Ever Hold Creationist Views
« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2017, 04:55:57 AM »
That's an angle I hadn't thought about -- my usual analysis is that it developed out of a need for social control as we evolved from mobile hunter-gatherers to stationary farmers.  And also it's useful for a local leader to have a retainer who isn't afraid to promise a better second life to cushion the blow of this life sucking -- at least sucking for everyone who's not the leader and his favored few (almost inevitably including the religious leader, fancy that).  But this does rather play into human competitiveness -- and we are a competitive species.  Who wouldn't want a do-over?

Well, other than me.  Even when I was a believer, the last kind of eternity I wanted was the alabaster city in the clouds forever singing hosannahs.  I wanted to cruise the universe unfettered by Einstein's laws and see what all was out there.

1.  Half of all humans are dumber than average.  That makes them more subject to superstitions. 
2.  Some of the smarter half are psychologically insecure and need a Daddy-figure.
3.  Another part of the smarter half commit actions they fear will send them to Hell if they don't "believe" in redemption.
4.  Another part of the smarter half act religious for social reasons (think politicians and preachers).
5.  The ones left are atheists.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!  b 1950