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BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« on: May 04, 2017, 11:15:18 AM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/21/mmr-vaccine-autism_n_7109142.html

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(Reuters Health) - The measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine is not linked to development of autism spectrum disorders, even among children considered to be at risk, a large new study finds.

Among nearly 100,000 children, receipt of the MMR vaccine did not increase the risk for autism spectrum disorder (ASD), regardless of whether kids were at higher risk because an older sibling already had the condition, researchers write in JAMA.

“Even for children who are high-risk, the vaccine does not play a role,” said lead author Dr. Anjali Jain of healthcare consulting firm The Lewin Group in Falls Church, Virginia. “We don’t know what does unfortunately, but it’s not the MMR vaccine.”

The results should be reassuring, she said.

Autism spectrum disorder is a range of symptoms that often includes difficulties with communication and social interaction, according to the U.S. National Institute of Mental Health. It’s may also include restricted and repetitive behaviors.

The 1998 study that claimed to find a connection between the MMR vaccine and ASD was later debunked. The Lancet, the medical journal that originally published it, withdrew it. Studies continue to vouch for the safety of the vaccine.

Still, some people continue to believe that the vaccine is connected to ASD.

Parents of children with ASD may also believe there is a genetic component, and so they decline to vaccinate their other children, Jain and colleagues noted in their report in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

For the new study, the researchers used insurance claims data on 95,727 children followed from birth to at least age five between 2001 and 2012. They also had data on the children’s older siblings.

Overall, about 2 percent of the children had an older sibling with ASD. Those children were more likely to go on to develop ASD themselves whether they were vaccinated or not, according to the report.

The vaccine didn’t increase their risk, the researchers say.

For example, among high-risk five year olds, ASD developed in 23 of 269 who weren’t vaccinated (8.6 percent), compared to 30 of 796 (3.8 percent) who received two doses of the MMR vaccine.

Among kids not at high risk of ASD, 7,735 were unvaccinated at age five and 56 (0.7 percent) were diagnosed with the condition. That compared to 244 of 45,568 children (0.5 percent) who received two MMR doses.

Furthermore, children with an older sibling with ASD were significantly less likely to have received the MMR vaccine in the first place.

By age five, about 92 percent of the children without ASD in the family had received at least one MMR dose. By comparison, only 86 percent of children with an older sibling with ASD had been vaccinated by that age.

“I think it’s important to show that the degree of undervaccination in the families with children with autism spectrum disorder was significant,” Jain told Reuters Health.

Alongside the lack of association between the vaccine and ASD, the undervaccination rate deserves attention, she said.

Roughly a dozen studies have shown that age of ASD onset and its severity do not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, wrote Dr. Bryan King, program director of the Autism Center at Seattle Children’s Hospital, in an editorial accompanying the new study.

The new study, King added, now shows that “the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”
Just in case you were still having doubts about this.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2017, 11:17:16 AM »
Stupidity causes faux autism.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2017, 11:53:33 AM »
Stupidity causes faux autism.
And it also causes Faux News.  And Bill O'Fuckery.
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2017, 12:22:31 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/21/mmr-vaccine-autism_n_7109142.html
Just in case you were still having doubts about this.
I just googled it and there are 200 sites that say vaccines don't cause autism and 10 that do.  Checkmate, tyrannical needlers!

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2017, 12:38:07 PM »
I just googled it and there are 200 sites that say vaccines don't cause autism and 10 that do.  Checkmate, tyrannical needlers!
And guess which sites the Drump supporters will believe.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 04:51:42 PM »
Who are you going to believe?  The experts or a few celebrities and some wackjob sites?

"California Gov says yes to poisoning more children with mercury and aluminum in manditory [sic] vaccines. This corporate fascist must be stopped," - Jim Carrey, 2015

Together we must oppose fascism by making ourselves more vulnerable to dangerous, potentially deadly, diseases.  That'll learn 'em.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 05:01:01 PM by Hydra009 »

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2017, 06:02:57 PM »
Who are you going to believe?  The experts or a few celebrities and some wackjob sites?

"California Gov says yes to poisoning more children with mercury and aluminum in manditory [sic] vaccines. This corporate fascist must be stopped," - Jim Carrey, 2015

Together we must oppose fascism by making ourselves more vulnerable to dangerous, potentially deadly, diseases.  That'll learn 'em.
Hey, Zyklon B costs money. You're not using my money for that!

Especially when stupid not only should hurt, it should be fatal.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2017, 06:39:47 PM »
Gandhi had some extremely entertaining thoughts on this matter.  Never meet your heroes, folks.

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Vaccination is a barbarous practice, and it is one of the most fatal of all the delusions current in our time, not to be found even among the so-called savage races of the world. Its supporters are not content with its adoption by those who have no objection to it, but seek to impose it with the aid of penal laws and rigorous punishments on all people alike. The practice of vaccination is not very old, dating as it does only from 1798 A.D. But, during this comparatively short period that has elapsed, millions have fallen a prey to the delusion that those who get themselves vaccinated are safe from the attack of small-pox. No one can say that small-pox will necessarily attack those who have not been vaccinated; for many cases have been observed of unvaccinated people being free from its attack. From the fact that some people who are not vaccinated do get the disease, we cannot, of course, conclude that they would have been immune if only they had got themselves vaccinated.

Moreover, vaccination is a very dirty process, for the serum which is introduced into the human body includes not only that of the cow, but also of the actual small-pox patient. An average man would even vomit at the mere sight of this stuff. If the hand happens to touch it, it is always washed with soap. The mere suggestion of tasting it fills us with indignation and disgust. But how few of those who get themselves vaccinated realise that they are in effect eating this filthy stuff!

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I cannot also help feeling that vaccination is a violation of the dictates of religion and morality.  The drinking of the blood of even dead animals is looked upon with horror even by habitual meat-eaters. Yet, what is vaccination but the taking in of the poisoned blood of an innocent living animal? Better far were it for God-fearing men that they should a thousand times become the victims of small-pox and even die a terrible death than that they should be guilty of such an act of sacrilege.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/40373/40373-h/40373-h.htm

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  The whole thing a veritable nuclear arsenal of quackery and advanced idiocy, even for the time.  It just goes to show that brilliance in one field is no guarantee of brilliance in other fields.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 06:43:39 PM by Hydra009 »

Offline Baruch

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2017, 07:57:30 PM »
And it also causes Faux News.  And Bill O'Fuckery.

Ah yes, because of your Nobel in Medicine, you know this? ;-)  Bannon of the Left?

Generally mandatory anything makes me cringe ... the science is best left to the scientists ... unfortunately profitable Big Pharma messes that all up.  I can only trust medicine if it is run my Marxist-Leninists ... who have the public weal at heart.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 07:59:56 PM by Baruch »
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Offline SGOS

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2017, 05:51:51 PM »
I can kind of understand why the idea of vaccines manufactured from cells connected with animals that were naturally immune with antibodies that connect with viruses making them inactive would alarm some people who don't fully understand what vaccines do or where they come from  (Yee Gods.  You don't want to put something that has a relationship with a virus in your body).   The thing about autism is a bit farther out there.  And of course, being a strange notion adds the element of "that's so weird, it must be true."  But I remember all those kids I knew who came down with polio before vaccines became available.  You have to wonder how well people understand the alternative to vaccination.  But then with many of those childhood killers that aren't so prevalent these days, they may not seem so threatening.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 06:26:33 PM »
I can kind of understand why the idea of vaccines manufactured from cells connected with animals that were naturally immune with antibodies that connect with viruses making them inactive would alarm some people who don't fully understand what vaccines do or where they come from  (Yee Gods.  You don't want to put something that has a relationship with a virus in your body).
Yeah.  Shoving a bunch of mold into your bloodstream seems like an incredibly stupid idea for someone who doesn't know much about the immune system or how vaccines work.  Gotta love ignorant intuition gainsaying expert knowledge.

And there's also this quasi-religious idea of "cleansing" the body from all the bad toxic chemicals (chemicals are by definition bad) which surely is the real cause of the sickness.  Come down with scarlet fever?  Saying 50 hail marys, fasting, and taking a bunch of baths will take care of that.  I'm glad that idea mostly lost favor following the discovery of microbes.  Because "cleansing" the body of helpful/neutral bacteria is not advised.

On a related note, how did the first person to peer into a microscope and see a ton of little critters on every square inch of the human body not go mad from the revelation?  That's like some From Beyond stuff.

"How's that new microscope of yours working out?  What does that saliva sample look like?"
"Bug-things...everywhere..."
« Last Edit: May 05, 2017, 06:30:59 PM by Hydra009 »

Offline Baruch

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2017, 07:43:39 PM »


I remember in 9th grade, when we looked at pond water.  Looking for planarians, and found them.  Don't drink untreated water!
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Vaccines Still Don't Cause Autism
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2017, 04:41:26 PM »
BREAKING NEWS:  Alert, Alert...   ...   ...

GENERAL FRANCISCO FRANCO STILL DEAD AFTER 42 YEARS!  The people dance jigs of despair celebrating the news.
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