Author Topic: Should we worry about nature?  (Read 162 times)

Offline Blackleaf (OP)

Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2017, 10:01:02 AM »
Evolution takes time, and climate change is acting faster than that.  My average last frost date for the gardening used to be April 22nd; now it is April 15.  2016 was the hottest global average before 2015 before 2014 and back a decade.

Refusal to see facts is an indicator of ignorance.

Nobody's refusing to see anything. I'm not a global warming denier, nor am I suggesting we don't try to protect the environment. As I said, "I'm just asking this out of pure curiosity."

Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2017, 10:45:49 AM »
Evolution takes time, and climate change is acting faster than that.
Sort of.  Climate change is rapid and you won't get major evolutionary changes in just a few years.  But there may be some minute evolutionary changes already underway.

However, adaption doesn't guarantee survival.  Species can change to make the best of a bad situation, but there's only so much they can handle.  When that bad situation gets worse, even relatively resilient species can bite the dust.

Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2017, 11:50:06 AM »
And humans aren't going to "evolve" fast enough, I think. Given that evolve is driven by random, "unscheduled" changes it just doesn't seem likely. We might learn how to survive, but it's not going to be fun. Ask the Tauregs.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2017, 12:53:59 PM »
Hopefully, before things become irrepairable, nature will create a world-wide catastrophe that will wipe out humanity so that the planet can fix itself and life can begin anew.

Only if Gaia has agency.  without agency, the planet just randomly cracks a fart ... nothing says that black smokers aren't a dead end ... I know from family member that white smokers are a dead end ;-(
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Offline Baruch

Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2017, 12:55:51 PM »
How could you be unhappy about that, since you, too, will be gone?

Oblivion means never again having to be sad...

As a demigod, I am immortal ... don't you know your Greek mythology, barbarian?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2017, 01:00:46 PM »
And humans aren't going to "evolve" fast enough, I think. Given that evolve is driven by random, "unscheduled" changes it just doesn't seem likely. We might learn how to survive, but it's not going to be fun. Ask the Tauregs.

Tuareg?  Better ask the Kurgans .. those are the ancestors of most Europeans, invaded Europe from S Russia during the late Neolithic.  They have super weapons ... not only cattle, but horses, wagons and bronze weapons.  Putin's ancestors and many of ours was well.  They invented Germans, Italians and Greeks.  Later they invented Celts too in S Germany.  They were violent folk ... still are.

The Tuareg have the displeasure of living in the deep Sahara desert.  Nothing new has happened there in the last 4000 years ... due to lack of water and other resources.
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Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2017, 01:06:30 PM »
And humans aren't going to "evolve" fast enough, I think. Given that evolve is driven by random, "unscheduled" changes it just doesn't seem likely. We might learn how to survive, but it's not going to be fun. Ask the Tauregs.
Human evolution doesn't matter.  Humanity runs little risk of being directly killed off by climate change.  What we really have to worry about is the rug being pulled out from under us.

The real threat is the plants and animals we need to survive getting wiped out and previously hospitable parts of the world quickly becoming inhospitable - not just from desertification but also from sea level increases.  Add to that disease outbreaks and diminished access to fresh water, and we're in a bumpy ride.
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Re: Should we worry about nature?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2017, 01:18:17 PM »
You are more optimistic than I am.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers