Author Topic: Found another illogical argument  (Read 1208 times)

Offline Atheon

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2017, 03:04:04 PM »
"What is hateful to you, do not to do another".
Confucius: 己所不欲,勿施於人 "What you do not want for yourself, do not impose onto others."
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Offline Baruch

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2017, 03:05:48 PM »
Confucius: 己所不欲,勿施於人 "What you do not want for yourself, do not impose onto others."

Yes, traditional Chinese are very Jewish ;-)
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Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2017, 03:06:07 PM »
Circular reasoning.

God exists and he says the bible is true. The bible says god exists. Therefore god exists.
Historical non sequitur.

Man's experience, relationships and reports of The Diety does not begin or end with the Bible.

Oh and which Bible? The 66 book abridged version or the over 600 book ancient version?

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2017, 04:27:07 PM »
Historical non sequitur.

Man's experience, relationships and reports of The Diety does not begin or end with the Bible.

Oh and which Bible? The 66 book abridged version or the over 600 book ancient version?
Exactly.  And each of those 600 books are fictional works.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2017, 04:39:12 PM »
Exactly.  And each of those 600 books are fictional works.
You assume.

The story that the sun rises and sets is a perspective fiction.  The calendar days are a perspective fiction. From the perspective of the actual source of light, there has only ever been one day and sunrise and sunset are relative sides of the same circle of light around the earth.

 In fact it's still early morning for the sun. High noon is red giant stage and we won't be around for sunset.

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2017, 06:15:46 PM »
You assume.

The story that the sun rises and sets is a perspective fiction.  The calendar days are a perspective fiction. From the perspective of the actual source of light, there has only ever been one day and sunrise and sunset are relative sides of the same circle of light around the earth.

 In fact it's still early morning for the sun. High noon is red giant stage and we won't be around for sunset.
Of course.  Humans invent many conventions to help with the communication process.  It is true the sun have never 'risen'.  It is a matter of perspective.  On Earth though, it is simply a convention that is used as a sort of short hand.  Of course the calendar and our clocks are simply conventions we use to track what we call time.  These conventions are not fiction, for they are based on fact.  We can observe the sun and learn or it's movements.  The bible is a collection of writings from various authors--all of which are fictional.  The bible cannot prove anything other than somebody wrote what has been included (and discarded depending upon which bible one is talking about, of course).  All gods are fictional, even the one(s) in the bible.  The bible is not a convention it is a fiction.  god is not a convention, but a fiction. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2017, 09:16:48 PM »
Arithmetic is a matter of perspective too ... 10 + 10 = 100 (in binary).

"These conventions are not fiction, for they are based on fact." ... the Bible was written by Jews, and that is a fact.  So the Bible is also baed on a fact.  It is true that the British and Japanese convention of driving on the left hand side of the road is "sinister" ... because that is the Latin word for "left hand".  The rest of us are "dexter" ... who is a boy genius with a sister named Didi.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2017, 02:51:00 AM »
rrriiiggghhhhttt. Okay then. Whose up for some power crystals and universal sounding?  All you have to do is imagine you think it and voila! It becomes true.

Yeah, let's find those dragonballs, LOL!
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2017, 05:20:34 PM »
rrriiiggghhhhttt. Okay then. Whose up for some power crystals and universal sounding?  All you have to do is imagine you think it and voila! It becomes true.

Maybe I'll wait, until Seth speaks...


God Not Found
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
Albert Einstein

Offline Baruch

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2017, 06:11:10 PM »
Maybe I'll wait, until Seth speaks...


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Funny you should mention that ... automatic writing is perhaps no joke ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Roberts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing

Whether you articulate it as channeling or just as odd psychology ...
Oracles are automatic speaking ... which is what Muhammad was doing.  Perhaps Ms Roberts was related to him, at least in psychological profile.  See the following, particularly the bit at the bottom on neurology ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formulaic_language ... the Quran is very formulaic, as is epic poetry.  Speaking in tongues may be yet another aspect ... but where the language spoken is unintelligible to the speaker or the listener.
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Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2017, 06:42:18 PM »
Yeah, let's find those dragonballs, LOL!
Doncha be touchin mah dragonballs!

Offline Baruch

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2017, 06:49:58 PM »
Doncha be touchin mah dragonballs!

Another bureaucratic project goes to Hell ...
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Offline fencerider (OP)

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2017, 12:20:30 AM »
first you find the power crystals. Then you go a little farther and you will find the dragon balls. From the place you find the dragon balls you go 3 blocks north. and there you will find god sitting on his porch. You must give him 2 crystals and a dragon ball....
god is never early, but he is never late either... so true, so true; but I would rather have him show up late than to not show up at all. When was the last time god showed up for anything??? uh never

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2017, 01:53:18 PM »
first you find the power crystals. Then you go a little farther and you will find the dragon balls. From the place you find the dragon balls you go 3 blocks north. and there you will find god sitting on his porch. You must give him 2 crystals and a dragon ball....
Sounds like a lot of walking around...I'll just be still and know ;)

Offline Baruch

Re: Found another illogical argument
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2017, 08:13:36 PM »
Sounds like a lot of walking around...I'll just be still and know ;)

Atheists only meditate on how brilliant they are ;-)
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