Author Topic: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broom.  (Read 13791 times)

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2013, 11:11:45 AM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"

I'm making it ugly when someone with superficial understanding is posting as if he were a specialist in that field, which he clearly is not.

As I said in another post to plu, there are too many ignoramuses posting on the internet. So we have a Republican party dedicated to put creationism in the science class, and a Republican senator sitting on the science committee, who knows nothing about science, doesn't even believe in evolution or global warming, yet has the power to decide who is going to get a grant in science. Enough of this ignorance, and pardon me if I want to bring some light in this sad, pathetic world.

And the irony is atheists ranting about theists, accusing them of being willfully ignorant. Perhaps those atheists should look in the mirror before making that accusation.


Not for nothing but we've had **experts** on this or that come stomping through here before.  And likely we will again.

Now --- there's two ways to go about slinging your expertise around:  There's the asshole method of calling long time members morons (aka thinking Very highly of ones self)  And there's the more respectful, professional method of just sharing your opinions or know-how in the form of adding data to the thread.  That shared data can lead to even more conversations.  Being a forum and all - wow - imagine that? Conversations.   :shock:  :shock:
Sometimes we find out much about a person's character - not by What they know - but rather how they choose to share what they know.

or


you can just become a newly-resident asshole and be known as such.

The choice - of course - is always yours.


Ask anyone here - but I can get fiercely loyal for my friends and how they are treated.   They don't even have to be right 100% of the time.    This IS A FORUM -- aka human interaction-- many of different styles and different methods will post here.  You can BE part of the forum or just be stubborn and nasty towards forum members.
I officially ASK that you consider what I am saying to you - here - Now.
My suggestion?  Back down a notch on shoving your expertise down everyone's throat.  No matter How correct you are - that method never ever works.  Like ever.

cheers
I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2013, 11:18:47 AM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Solitary"
:oops: He! He! typo, at least I got it right half the time. As to those who think I'm ignorant just because someone thinks so, doesn't make it so. I won't go into who I am, but if anyone that comes here that thinks I'm wrong with my post check it out in any science or math book on the subject and see if I'm wrong---then come back here is show everyone who is ignorant at this thread.  8-)  Solitary AKA Bill

You wrote: "These are all "aparent" dilations, not actual, as so many writers claim."

Tell that to the physicists working in Argentina, where you get the most particles from cosmic radiation. When you calculate the half-life of the cosmic muons, compared to the lab muons, their half-life difference matches exactly what Special Relativity predicts. Time dilation is real, not apparent as you have claimed.


You wrote: "Which Sabrina riding on the broom will not notice anthing different about her broom or herself, but will "observe" one at rest in your frame of reference shrink in the direction of its motion."

No, it doesn't work that way.  You need to know about proper time. To do that you need to know who will measure two events with one clock. Example: you send someone to Alpha Centauri at near the speed of light. The person in the rocketship  will measure the departure and arrival (two events) with the same clock. That's the proper time. The observer on earth will need two clocks, one for the departure on earth, and a second clock on Alpha Centauri to measure the second event, the arrival. For the earth observer that is the improper time. The two times are related by,

T(proper time)  = t(improper time) ( 1 - v[sup:3q16qwo5]2[/sup:3q16qwo5]/c[sup:3q16qwo5]2[/sup:3q16qwo5])[sup:3q16qwo5]-1/2[/sup:3q16qwo5]

Otherwise you get the ridiculous claim: "the guy on the rocketship sees the earth moving so he thinks the people on earth are experiencing time dilation". Noboby "feels" like their experiencing time dilation. It's only when they will compare notes that they will realize that their clock was ticking differently, or that one looks younger than the other. The effect is real, even though the people on the rocketship don't feel it, they will experience time dilation, not the people on earth.

Given the fact that you're being pretty shitty about your posting (and I'm not sure WHY you're acting this way.... you were welcomed here with open arms)   ANYway........  I am learning more about why I am skinny on my broom.



I don't like learning with a bad taste in my mouth tho.
just sayin........
I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2013, 11:26:11 AM »
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"

I'm making it ugly when someone with superficial understanding is posting as if he were a specialist in that field, which he clearly is not.

As I said in another post to plu, there are too many ignoramuses posting on the internet. So we have a Republican party dedicated to put creationism in the science class, and a Republican senator sitting on the science committee, who knows nothing about science, doesn't even believe in evolution or global warming, yet has the power to decide who is going to get a grant in science. Enough of this ignorance, and pardon me if I want to bring some light in this sad, pathetic world.

And the irony is atheists ranting about theists, accusing them of being willfully ignorant. Perhaps those atheists should look in the mirror before making that accusation.


Not for nothing but we've had **experts** on this or that come stomping through here before.  And likely we will again.

Now --- there's two ways to go about slinging your expertise around:  There's the asshole method of calling long time members morons (aka thinking Very highly of ones self)  And there's the more respectful, professional method of just sharing your opinions or know-how in the form of adding data to the thread.  That shared data can lead to even more conversations.  Being a forum and all - wow - imagine that? Conversations.   :shock:  :shock:
Sometimes we find out much about a person's character - not by What they know - but rather how they choose to share what they know.

or


you can just become a newly-resident asshole and be known as such.

The choice - of course - is always yours.


Ask anyone here - but I can get fiercely loyal for my friends and how they are treated.   They don't even have to be right 100% of the time.    This IS A FORUM -- aka human interaction-- many of different styles and different methods will post here.  You can BE part of the forum or just be stubborn and nasty towards forum members.
I officially ASK that you consider what I am saying to you - here - Now.
My suggestion?  Back down a notch on shoving your expertise down everyone's throat.  No matter How correct you are - that method never ever works.  Like ever.

cheers

Why didn't you apply the same "morality" to your friends when one of them accused me of trying to fool people in this forum when really I was just trying to help the guy?!?

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As far as I'm concerned, you can put me "on ignore", if that feature still exists, it won't be a great loss.

Offline Thumpalumpacus

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2013, 02:05:39 AM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
You're free to listen to idiots and quacks. I don't believe to be nice to people who are posting erroneous information. No more that I don't believe to be nice to people who  believe in unacceptable religious beliefs, like vaginal mutilation. Do you think we should respect that?! Why?

lol, I just saw this -- so posting erroneous information is of the same moral failing as chopping off , and deserves the same calumny?

Say, are you a math major?
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Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2013, 10:23:35 AM »
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
You're free to listen to idiots and quacks. I don't believe to be nice to people who are posting erroneous information. No more that I don't believe to be nice to people who  believe in unacceptable religious beliefs, like vaginal mutilation. Do you think we should respect that?! Why?

lol, I just saw this -- so posting erroneous information is of the same moral failing as chopping off , and deserves the same calumny?

Say, are you a math major?


Let me know if a math major can write a blog like this one:

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Offline Solitary

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2013, 11:23:54 AM »
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That's wrong. Get your facts straightened before spewing your ignorance.


That is also good advice for you JosephPalazzo. Read and learn Einstein:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Common sense says:
 Any inertially-moving rod has only two endpoints;
 by not moving relative to each other, these two points
 produce a single constant intrinsic rod length (even
 if we are not currently able to determine said length).

 Therefore, if observers in various frames find different
 lengths for said rod, then this must be due to some
 observer-dependent process, and _not_ to the rod itself.

 Tom Roberts **agrees** by saying:

When you look at a building from directly in front,
 it appears to be wider than when you look at it from
 a corner. This effect does not affect the building
 itself, of course, and is purely due to your point
 of view. ... Similarly in SR, "length contraction"
 is purely a geometrical effect, an artifact of one's
 point of view ....

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 [Roberts to Nicolaaas Vroom 3-30-06]

 But what is the root physical cause of SR's
 observer-dependent "length contraction"?

 Tom Roberts tried to pin it down as follows:

Because the rod is moving, naturally the observer
 in A must mark both ends _simultaneously_ in
 frame A (which requires assistants) and then use
 a meterstick at rest in frame A to measure the
 length between the marks. Ultimately it is the
 DIFFERENCE IN SIMULTANEITY between frames A and
 B that is the source of the length contraction ....

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 [Roberts to GSS 3-19-06]

 While Roberts _believed_ he had located the root
 (or ultimate) cause as being "the difference in
 simultaneity," what we really need to know is
 What causes this difference in simultaneity?

 In other words, we need to find the physical cause
 of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity.

 Here is the story:

 Being unable to absolutely synchronize clocks, Einstein
 could not use clocks at events to correctly determine
 their occurrence times, so he had to fall back on using
 light signals sent from the events, merely _specifying_
 that the arrival times of these signals in each frame
 are to be used as the "occurrence times" of the events.

 Clearly, since each frame moves _differently_ relative
 to these signals, each frame's observers will see the
 signals arrive differently, so we can now see that the
 ultimate physical cause of the relativity of simultaneity
 is simply different frame movements wrt to light signals.

 Of course, if Einsteinian observers want to use _clocks_
 at the events instead of using light signals from the
 events, then all they have to do is make their clocks
 correspond to Einstein's light-signal scheme, and this
 can be done very simply by using midway-emitted light
 signals to start clocks on zero.

 Obviously, each frame's clocks will actually be started
 differently due to the different frame motions relative
 to the signals.

 For example, just as in Einstein's own train/embankment
 thought experiment, one frame's left clock may move
 toward its approaching signal, whereas the other clock
 will move away from its signal, so the clocks would not
 be started truly simultaneously.

 Then, if this frame's Einsteinian clocks are used to
 determine the time between two absolutely simultaneous
 events, then the clocks will report that the events
 did not occur simultaneously.

 And since events are observer-independent, this report
 flatly contradicts reality, as do all other such reports
 from all other Einsteinian frames' clocks (except those
 from the one frame whose clocks became truly synched by
 Einstein's light signals due to a lack of frame motion
 either toward or away from the signals).

 Given the simple fact that all but one of Einstein's
 frames contains absolutely asynchronous clocks due to
 absolutely different frame movements wrt the light
 signals used to set Einstein's clocks, we can at last
 _fully_ understand the relativistic "length contraction."

 Just as Tom Roberts said, this "contraction" is merely
 an artifact of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity,
 which, in turn, is an artifact of Einstein's absolutely
 asynchronous clocks. Einsteinian observers cannot truly
 simultaneously pin down the end points of a passing rod,
 so they mis-measure the rod, calling it shortened, and
 each frame's observers find a different length for one
 and the same passing rod, which, of course, cannot have
 but one physical length, as we noted above.

 BUT WHY STOP AT THE "LENGTH CONTRACTION"?

 It should be crystal clear to anyone by now that thanks
 to Einstein's asynchronous clocks, NONE of his two-clock
 results can possibly be correct.

 This means that special relativity's "time dilation,"
 "momentum variance" (sometimes called "mass increase"),
 "addition of velocities" (or velocity composition),
 transformation equations, and light's one-way, 2-clock
 speed are ALL INCORRECT.

 In other words, given absolutely synchronous clocks,
 exactly none of these relativistic results would occur,
 including the invariance of light's one-way speed.

 All of special relativity's results are due to Einstein's
 use of asynchronous clocks, which, in turn, are due to
 the use of a mere definition.

 Clearly, a _definition_ has nothing to do with the workings
 of the physical world, and cannot produce a scientific theory.

 --kk--
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2013, 01:05:18 PM »
Fact 1: Relativity clearly predicts the mercury's orbital precession.
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Fact 2: Relativity clearly predicts the bending of light near the surface of the sun.
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Fact 3: Relativity clearly predicts the half-life of muons from cosmic rays.
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Fact 4: GPS satellites must use Relativity to calculate the position of any user of GPS.
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Fact 5: All high energy accelerating colliders, like the LHC, must use Relativity to give correct results.
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Fact 6: Relativity must be taken into account in order to explain atomic orbital of heavier elements of the periodic table.
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These are just off the top of my head, but there are sufficient that those who think they can deny the theory should get their heads examined.

Offline Solitary

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2013, 01:35:38 PM »
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those who think they can deny the theory should get their heads examined

So who is trying to do that?  :-s  It's quite obvious that your wrong saying solid objects actually contract when it is only apparent. Your interpretations are wrong not the theory. Off the top of your head---all those internet addresses. Wow! You must have a photographic memory besides your superior intelligent.  :roll: Solitary
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Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2013, 05:33:50 PM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
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those who think they can deny the theory should get their heads examined

So who is trying to do that?  :-s  It's quite obvious that your wrong saying solid objects actually contract when it is only apparent. Your interpretations are wrong not the theory. Off the top of your head---all those internet addresses. Wow! You must have a photographic memory besides your superior intelligent.  :roll: Solitary

If length contraction and time dilation are a figment of the imagination, then the whole theory collapses. You can't cherrypick only what you like and discard what you don't. The theory comes as a whole package.

The next thing people like you will say is that E = mc[sup:22sn4bxz]2[/sup:22sn4bxz] is a figment of the imagination... hmm, just a reminder:

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Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2013, 11:15:41 PM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Let me know if a math major can write a blog like this one:

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Probably, if he had an special math symbol app.
He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.
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Offline Solitary

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2013, 11:55:27 PM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Solitary"
Quote
those who think they can deny the theory should get their heads examined

So who is trying to do that?  :-s  It's quite obvious that your wrong saying solid objects actually contract when it is only apparent. Your interpretations are wrong not the theory. Off the top of your head---all those internet addresses. Wow! You must have a photographic memory besides your superior intelligent.  :roll: Solitary

If length contraction and time dilation are a figment of the imagination, then the whole theory collapses. You can't cherrypick only what you like and discard what you don't. The theory comes as a whole package.

The next thing people like you will say is that E = mc[sup:3cltr1a4]2[/sup:3cltr1a4] is a figment of the imagination... hmm, just a reminder:

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I never said it is a figment of the imagination. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't there! You don't understand that length contraction is apparent from a measurement that is relevant to an observer, not that it actually does in reality. As for time, isn't it obvious from the theory that time is "RELEVENT" to each observer also? In the theory there is no past, present, or future, accept relevant to an observer and their speed.  You may know math, but you sure don't understand the theories of relativity very well. I'm talking about in the real world and measurement, not in the world of mathematics. Solitary

[youtube:3cltr1a4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-R8LGy-OVs[/youtube:3cltr1a4]
« Last Edit: August 27, 2013, 01:00:11 AM by Solitary »
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Offline Thumpalumpacus

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2013, 12:19:15 AM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
You're free to listen to idiots and quacks. I don't believe to be nice to people who are posting erroneous information. No more that I don't believe to be nice to people who  believe in unacceptable religious beliefs, like vaginal mutilation. Do you think we should respect that?! Why?

lol, I just saw this -- so posting erroneous information is of the same moral failing as chopping off , and deserves the same calumny?

Say, are you a math major?


Let me know if a math major can write a blog like this one:

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I don't know.  But I'm pretty sure that link has nothing to do with my point, which is that drawing a moral equivalence between genital mutilation and posting incorrect behavior is pretty stupid.  

I will venture the guess that you're not well-educated in the liberal arts, though.  Feel free to demonstrate otherwise, by appealing to relevant arguments, and not irrelevant blogposts.
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Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2013, 08:45:09 AM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"



If length contraction and time dilation are a figment of the imagination, then the whole theory collapses. You can't cherrypick only what you like and discard what you don't. The theory comes as a whole package.

The next thing people like you will say is that E = mc[sup:3tb3rfdw]2[/sup:3tb3rfdw] is a figment of the imagination... hmm, just a reminder:

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I never said it is a figment of the imagination. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't there! You don't understand that length contraction is apparent from a measurement that is relevant to an observer, not that it actually does in reality. As for time, isn't it obvious from the theory that time is "RELEVENT" to each observer also? In the theory there is no past, present, or future, accept relevant to an observer and their speed.  You may know math, but you sure don't understand the theories of relativity very well. I'm talking about in the real world and measurement, not in the world of mathematics. Solitary


Measuring the time dilation of the muon's half-life is real, NOT APPARENT. Like I said, you can't cherry-pick. If time dilation is real, so is length contraction, as time and space are on equal footing, a principle that has been successfully incorporated in QFT. You can spin all the philosophy you want, but the physics is real.

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2013, 08:55:11 AM »
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"


lol, I just saw this -- so posting erroneous information is of the same moral failing as chopping off , and deserves the same calumny?

Say, are you a math major?


Let me know if a math major can write a blog like this one:

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I don't know.  But I'm pretty sure that link has nothing to do with my point, which is that drawing a moral equivalence between genital mutilation and posting incorrect behavior is pretty stupid.  

I will venture the guess that you're not well-educated in the liberal arts, though.  Feel free to demonstrate otherwise, by appealing to relevant arguments, and not irrelevant blogposts.


Since obviously you're an ignoramus in matters of math and physics, and incapable of discerning someone like solitary, who knows physics on a superficial level from someone who knows the subject deeply at a level you can't even phantom, I thought giving you a hint would help with a not-so ''irrelevant blogposts''. Apparently, it didn't help.

As to your point on moral equivalence, the genital mutilation stems from ignorance, something you seem to be very familiar with. You're looking at moral equivalence, I'm looking at the source of what causes so much suffering and injustice.

Offline Plu

Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2013, 09:01:09 AM »
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Since obviously you're an ignoramus in matters of math and physics, and incapable of discerning someone like solitary, who knows physics on a superficial level from someone who knows the subject deeply at a level you can't even phantom, I thought giving you a hint would help with a not-so ''irrelevant blogposts''. Apparently, it didn't help.

It's very obvious why it didn't help. To a layman's eye, there is no difference between in-depth blog posts of people who are good at physics, and in-depth blog posts who are just making shit up. Both are simply a long and extremely complicated piece of math and physics that may or may not be correct and for which we have no way to determine whether it's true or false.

So to answer the question of "could a math major write such a blog", the answer is: yes he could, and none of us would be the wiser.

It's kinda like asking someone "do you speak chinese" and them answering by posting something in an unknown asian language... unless we have a way to verify that it's actually chinese, we have no way to determine whether the answer given is meaningful or not.
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